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Old 06-09-2011, 05:40 PM
 
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Have no regard for life after birth! They choose to pull funding from ALL social services including those providing food, housing, protection and education. When you and yours provide after care once a human life is actually delivered into the world.....we might actually listen to something you have to say. Until then we shall fight you every step of the way, in every state of the union. You have just begun to wake the sleeping giant of prochoice women.
Spot on! The majority of these guys don't give a rat's A. about the babies once born. They gripe about Headstart; they gripe about medicaid; they gripe about school breakfast and school lunch; they gripe about Planned Parenthood; they gripe about sex ed; they gripe about teens having easy and free access to BC; they B itch, B itch B itch AFTER they are born.

They only care when it's in someone else's womb. This is a control issue for most of these men, not everyone, but for most, IMO.

Women do not have abortion's without deep thought about choice and alternatives. No woman can just indiscrimantely have a later term abortion. Once the 13th week is reached things become much more complicated.

You want to drastically reduce unwanted pregnancy? Fund Planned Parenthood.
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Old 06-09-2011, 05:57 PM
 
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Its only the tea bags that are going pro-life. When a whole bunch of middle or upper class white teen mothers are not able to obtain an abortion unless they leave the state or leave the country that you guys will find another subject to obsess over.

I was born in the decade that gave women the right to choose. After thousands and thousands of back alley illegal abortions were performed. In filthy disgusting enviornments and horrific coat hanger abortions were self inflicted causing women to never be able to have children again....women decided we needed a safe, legal method to abort. Women have been aborting babies since the beginning of time, and they will continue to do so when they know bringing that fetus to term would be life altering for either the fetus or themselves.

The extreme position is yours not ours! We will not go back to the dark ages.
Women REALLY need to stand up in 2012 and send a resounding message to Social Conservatives abouit having the right to CHOOSE. Social Conservatives are in the process if implementing even more restrictive measures at the state level through state legislatures. There is even a drive by some Social Conservatives to limit contraception.
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Old 06-09-2011, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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Spot on! The majority of these guys don't give a rat's A. about the babies once born. They gripe about Headstart; they gripe about medicaid; they gripe about school breakfast and school lunch; they gripe about Planned Parenthood; they gripe about sex ed; they gripe about teens having easy and free access to BC; they B itch, B itch B itch AFTER they are born.

They only care when it's in someone else's womb. This is a control issue for most of these men, not everyone, but for most, IMO.

Women do not have abortion's without deep thought about choice and alternatives. No woman can just indiscrimantely have a later term abortion. Once the 13th week is reached things become much more complicated.

You want to drastically reduce unwanted pregnancy? Fund Planned Parenthood.
Well said, reps to you.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Undisclosed Bunker
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Interesting how the so called “Pro Choice” crowd denies the unborn child a choice !?

Should the Government be involved ? Let’s see, if you crack open an egg from a Bald Eagle the Government will put you in prison. On the other hand, you can flush unborn babies down the toilet if you feel the baby will be a financial burden. Hmmmm. Oh, and you shouldn’t be burdened with the cost. The tax payer will chip in weather he or she wants to or not.


We are truly a sick society.




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You want to drastically reduce unwanted pregnancy? Fund Planned Parenthood.
Or keep your cloths on.

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Old 06-09-2011, 07:19 PM
 
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A.People are anti-choice because they want to control women.

B. People are anti-choice because they don't think women should have sex without being punished.

C. They claim they think abortion is OK in case of rape or the health of the mother....well, that's stupid...an abortion is an abortion...why would it be something else to them because the mother was raped or may die???

D. If abortion is illegal it will ONLY hurt POOR/middle class women....the wealthy will be able to travel to more enlightened countries and have a safe abortion....it's just another attack by conservatives on the poor and middle class....AND how they REALLY want more government interference .....in OTHER people's lives.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Unless you abide by a particular religious view, you very likely don't believe life begins at conception. If you are religious and your group thinking makes you think that life starts at conception then you are against abortion. It doesn't have anything to do with ethics and or decency, since the humane and decent thing to do is taking care of children that have already been born.

To ensure that each child is loved, cared for, fed, with a roof over their heads. To ensure they have clean water, immunizations, and education. Until we can make that happen not only in this country but around the world.....then and only then...do we need to give anythng the benefiit of the doubt. Until that happens an abortion is the ONLY humane thing to do in many many, many, many circumstances.
To say, in the absence of certain knowledge that a fetus is not human, that abortion is humane borders on the perverse.
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Old 06-09-2011, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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In your opinion....
And that means what? If you have a counter argument, make it. If all you have is that I have an opinion, your quiver is empty.
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Old 06-09-2011, 08:59 PM
 
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This is not a road I wish to go down. I will not respond to this partisan bleeting with my own. I'll use my own words. I believe tha society has a resonsibility to protect the vulnerable. I believe that any attempt to terminate a pregnancy after viability (as I said, except if the mothers life is in immenent danger) is murder. How could it be otherwise? You have a baby that could live outside the mother, yet the mother refuses to permit that to happen.

(http://www.guttmacher.org/graphics/f...bortion-c2.gif)

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The AMA recommends that the intact dilatation and extraction procedure not be used unless alternative procedures pose materially greater risk to the woman and that ... abortions not be performed in the third trimester except in cases of serious fetal anomalies incompatible with life.
As you can see from the above chart, late term abortions (those performed after viability) are very much the exception, which is exactly what the AMA recommends.

Now it's your turn. You find some verifiable stats supporting your contention that late term abortions are even occasionally performed for frivolous reasons.
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:10 PM
 
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And that means what? If you have a counter argument, make it. If all you have is that I have an opinion, your quiver is empty.
It means that you are entitled to it and are free to act in a way that doesn't violate your code of ethics/decency. You are NOT entitled to expect others to abide by what YOU consider to be ethical and decent.

I have no quiver, empty or otherwise, because I have no desire to change your mind or the way you live your life. You find abortion to be incompatible with what YOU BELIEVE => Don't have one. It's that simple.

For everyone else: MYOB
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Old 06-09-2011, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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(http://www.guttmacher.org/graphics/f...bortion-c2.gif)

As you can see from the above chart, late term abortions (those performed after viability) are very much the exception, which is exactly what the AMA recommends.

Now it's your turn. You find some verifiable stats supporting your contention that late term abortions are even occasionally performed for frivolous reasons.
Anything other than the life of the mother is a frivolous reason.
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