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I understand growing up in public housing you already have the deck stacked against you in terms of poor schools, maybe uninvolved parents, etc however some people make it out and strive so why can't others.
Why shoudl they be tested? Because why should you and I pay our tax dollars for someone to live for free if they are doing drugs. If they stopped doing drugs it's much more likely they woudln't need to live off taxpayers dime.
Personally it's about principal to me but I also think money woudl be saved as well. If you allow people do do drugs, live free, free cable, free food, people will take advantage of it. If you dont people will have to go out and do for themselves.\
This is a totally different scenario but same concept. In the netherlands they used to have 7 year unemployment. Guess how long it took people to find a job on average? 6 years and 6 months. They dropped unemployment to 5 years and guess how long it took to find a job, 4 years 6 months.
Whatever you allow people to get away with they will.
To some extent yes, but there is always that percentage of people who just can't hack it for whatever reason. Do you just consider them an acceptable loss?
Just the knowledge that a test could come at anytime should kep some from using drugs.
Newsflash: Drug addicts aren't that great at this entire risk/award analysis thing.
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I'm surprised at the opposition to this idea and also people thinking this is so outragious. If this is an invasion of privacy for "poor people" why is it not an invasion of privacy for me to have to take a drug test for a job?
For the same reason your employer can enforce a dress code, but the government can't.
Newsflash: Drug addicts aren't that great at this entire risk/award analysis thing.
For the same reason your employer can enforce a dress code, but the government can't.
You cherry picked my quote. The response I was giving was to a guy who worked for the gov. I said take the private sector elemet out of it. Why will gov drug test its workers but not people living off the tax payer dime.
That takes the private sector element out of it. Now its a gov to gov example. People leeching off the system must have their privacy respected but people working for the gov being prodcutive citizens we dont value their privacy.
That is always the gov't excuse, "it would cost etc.".
I say B.S. The people doing the testing are Already on the gov't payroll. You don't have to hire any additional people.
Its not the cost of personnel, its the cost of the test. You have to buy the tests.
I know that the state wastes a lot of money, but that should really make you think twice about something when even they say it costs to much. Thats when its ridiculously stupid to spend that money on something.
Typical liberal rant. We can't do it! It would cost money! Even though the money saved would be tenfold. You people have an entirely different mindset than those who really THINK.
Just show me where it would be cost effective.
The average cost of a drug screen is 70 dollars per person. Now look at the number of people on your welfare rolls. Now look at the national average of those on welfare that use illegal drugs, around 30%. If you randomly drug tested even 1% of the welfare population, you're probably talking thousands of people. You'll likely only catch maybe a hundred, two at the most.
Then look at the amount of money they drew per year, vs what you would have to pay to continually drug screen. Not to mention its a one time off, most folks would stop buying drugs. So they would quit failing the tests, or find away around it.
And that doesn't even take into account that welfare and food stamps are based on WAGES. Regardless if they are buying drugs with their earnings, they will still be getting the exact same dollar amount from the state.
Its a silly idea. Its cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Best way to stop this continual conservative rant about drug testing all the poor people and throwing them out on the streets,is this. All of the poor people that get thrown out get to come live, loiter, and set up their living areas in your neighborhoods!!!
No more setting them out in the "urban" areas, bus them to your block to live on then let's see how aggressive you continue this "throw 'em on the streets" scenario.
The short sightedness no, the realization of this narrow minded way of thinking would soon be remedied.
Its not the cost of personnel, its the cost of the test. You have to buy the tests.
I know that the state wastes a lot of money, but that should really make you think twice about something when even they say it costs to much. Thats when its ridiculously stupid to spend that money on something.
Drug testing kits are not that expensive. The gov't buys in bulk. EVERYONE in the military takes them. All DoD personell take them. The infrastructure is already there.
The saving would, IMO, far outweigh the minimal costs.
Every gov't program has requirement. I see know reason why drug testing should not be one of those requirements in order to get fed or state money.
Drug testing kits are not that expensive. The gov't buys in bulk. EVERYONE in the military takes them. All DoD personell take them. The infrastructure is already there.
The saving would, IMO, far outweigh the minimal costs.
Every gov't program has requirement. I see know reason why drug testing should not be one of those requirements in order to get fed or state money.
Everyone in the military takes one when they first enlist. I didn't take a single one past my enlistment date.
What we are talking about with welfare is continual and steady testing.
Now if you wanted to test only those who are signing up for welfare at the first sign up, then that would be reasonable. Its the steady, monthly random testing that isn't cost effective.
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