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Fantastic. Answer my question.
I am choosing to spend money on my needs because that's all I can afford.
Others are spending OUR money on their wants.
What don't you understand?
Again: How is that fair? How is it fair that there's a system to have someone who is "poor" live better than the working class? They end up having so much more disposable money because of section 8 taking care of most of the rent, their food is covered, and medical bills covered by medicaid.
So, if we have a class system -- which we do -- how does it make sense to have one class envious of the LOWER? Hmm?
Shouldn't the lower class want to be the middle?
Shouldn't the middle want to be the upper?
Shouldn't the upper want to be the elite?
There's no reason why beggars can be choosers. Sorry, but I believe in personal responsibility and aiming higher for ourselves.
But then, I was raised by 2 quality people who taught me the value of a dollar and an honest days work. Something that clearly lacks with various groups of people.
Poverty in America also includes government subsidized housing, government subsidized health care, government subsidized primary education, a government subsidized cell phone, and subsidized cable TV.
I call it taxpayer paid and taxpayer subsidized because that is what it really is.
So, if we have a class system -- which we do -- how does it make sense to have one class envious of the LOWER? Hmm?
Shouldn't the lower class want to be the middle?
Shouldn't the middle want to be the upper?
Shouldn't the upper want to be the elite?
There's no reason why beggars can be choosers. Sorry, but I believe in personal responsibility and aiming higher for ourselves.
But then, I was raised by 2 quality people who taught me the value of a dollar and an honest days work. Something that clearly lacks with various groups of people.
You envy people on Medicaid. Good luck finding a doctor. You envy people on food stamps. You envy people living in dumpy section 8 apartments. Envy, envy, envy.
If you're making a negative inference about my parents, you better stop right there before you say something you really regret, bub.
You envy people on Medicaid. Good luck finding a doctor. You envy people on food stamps. You envy people living in dumpy section 8 apartments. Envy, envy, envy.
If you're making a negative inference about my parents, you better stop right there before you say something you really regret, bub.
Not all section 8 is dumpy... I can show you single family homes you would have no idea the family receives assistance because they are that nice... inside and out.
It is quite a contrast to see the guy not on Section 8 paying $1900 a month rent or the one next to him almost $3,000 to in principal, interest, taxes and insurance for the identical home with the same gardener and neighbors as the family paying $300 a month with a Voucher...
Section 8 is a gateway to myriad of programs in my county which includes free medical care, discounts on water, electricity, gas and telephone service, before school breakfast and school lunch and summer lunch and daycare... just to name a few.
As to medical... I can attest that no one with a life-threatening condition is turned away from the facility where I work... just doesn't happen.
You envy people on Medicaid. Good luck finding a doctor. You envy people on food stamps. You envy people living in dumpy section 8 apartments. Envy, envy, envy.
If you're making a negative inference about my parents, you better stop right there before you say something you really regret, bub.
Nope. I'm just saying that my parents taught me the value of a $1, and that if I want stuff I need to work and earn for it. They never taught me to hold my hand out and act like I deserve it.
Come on, let's take it down to a very personable level.
Let's say you have a sister. Your sister.. well, your sister isn't so great with money. We all know that 1 person in our lives that just never seem to have their act together.
This is life, and that's fine.
One month she is short $200 for bills, groceries, or whatever. She just asks for "$200" so she can "catch up"
Being the kind person you are --and you have $200 to GIVE, not to LEND-- you give it to her hoping that this helps her.
A month later, she's at your door step asking for $150 this month.. same ol story. But you notice..that's a new hand bag. You're very close with your sister so you know of the things she has, and you are certain this bag is new AND is pricey.
But, you love your sister, and give the $150.
The next month, here is she again. Another sad story and now needs $175 to get by this month. You -sigh- but again you love your sister and you can afford to help her, so you do. After you give her the money, you find out she went away with her current BF to a casino last weekend.
The next month here she comes again, and now she's sporting her new iPhone.....
Point is -- when is enough enough? How do you know if your money those last few months helped her rent or buy food? What if you bought her that purse, or gave her gambling money?
When does it come to a point where you agree to offer her money, but you want receipts to know where that money went. Then when she shows up next month for more money, do you think it's "wrong" of you to say "Hey, sis, you needed money for rent.. but I saw that bag at the mall. That's easily a $110 bag!"
Now think of this situation on a national scale.
If we are going to be good sports and help everyone else, damn right we should know how they spend it. No I don't want receipts, lol, but if they want food they should buy food.
Well since they can't go to a casino or buy new handbags with SNAP it's kinda of off subject so I'll ignore the tangent but if I give her $200 for food I'm not going to give her a grocery list of items that I think she should buy. I gave her money for food, if she spends the money unwisely and needs more food before she gets her next check (or loan or whatever) then I expect her to get it on her own.
Pretty much like SNAP once the money is gone it's gone it doesn't matter if they spent it on Twinkies or if they spent it on cabbage.
I support SNAP being more run like WIC but I'm also aware that if that were to happen people would then start bitching about how the poor can afford to eat fresh fruit and veggies while they have to buy frozen or canned...the bottom line is you don't want them to have the money period. Pretending that how they spend it is what bothers you is usually just a cover.
Pretending that how they spend it is what bothers you is usually just a cover.
Is a cover for what, actually?
That I was raised to believe I "deserve" what I can earn? If I want something, I have to sacrifice something? To understand that apples are more important than oreos, and beans are more important than cool ranch dorritos?
Keep em fat and unhealthy. Keep feedin em oreos and cheetos and sodas. 5 sodas a day, why not? I mean, if they have any health problems from a poor diet.. thats why they have medicaid, right?
I mean, the poor have it so hard that they have no time for personal responsibility.
Section 8 is a gateway to myriad of programs in my county which includes free medical care, discounts on water, electricity, gas and telephone service, before school breakfast and school lunch and summer lunch and daycare... just to name a few.
Usually food stamps are the gateway to other programs because it's vastly easier to qualify for and to get food stamps than it is to actually get Section 8, and there are other programs for which food stamps are a prerequisite to qualify. (i.e. if you don't get food stamps you automatically do not qualify for some other programs)
Even so, there are some quirky rules out there. People sharing housing - renting rooms in a house - can all NOT qualify for utility discounts even when every individual has income below the poverty line. Everyone's income must be combined and poverty level for say five people renting rooms in a house is far less than five times the poverty level for one person.
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