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Old 07-20-2011, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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We had this conversation a while back.

Really, only Singapore, Hong Kong, S. Korea, and perhaps Ireland are anwhere near America, but we really are in a league of our own in terms of the the tax rates to GDP and the proportion that goes to military vs. social programs.

The prosperity of America is not shared to nearly the same degree as in much of the civilized world. We like it that way apparently.
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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What is the point of this thread, exactly? Proving a point by casual inferance is not proving a point at all.

Right now the United States is transitioning to the stage I put in bold. We are nothing new in the world.
The person inferred that those with high economic freedom scores don't have those programs, I proved that every one of the countries that ranked in the top 5 (the US is #5) has them. Read the post I quoted in mine Lazy.
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:46 PM
 
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We had this conversation a while back.

Really, only Singapore, Hong Kong, S. Korea, and perhaps Ireland are anwhere near America, but we really are in a league of our own in terms of the the tax rates to GDP and the proportion that goes to military vs. social programs.

The prosperity of America is not shared to nearly the same degree as in much of the civilized world. We like it that way apparently.
Somehow making rich people richer has been embraced by the "rugged individual wannabe cowboy" types. "


I may be getting slammed by the wealthy, but at least I ain't no libural!!"
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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Somalia
Yep -- or, basically, any country without a functioning government.
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:51 PM
 
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:08 PM
 
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As a former resident of Ireland, I had to check this out. It is true that Ireland is the most like the USA of all the European countries. They were able to attract many American businesses during recent years, but inequality has also risen, and the social safety net is a bit in question.

http://www.ul.ie/sociology/socheolas...%20Schafer.pdf

Pretty interesting article.
The celtic 'tiger' was a sham that used tax arbitrage amongst other foolish behavior to snipe off business from mainland europe.

Such tools are not smart in the long term.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:02 AM
 
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Like less cops to ensure greater personal freedoms? I was speaking of the genius you presented with your discovery of "let me google it for you", and the search you went for, however.
Without a doubt, "let me google it for you" is the absolute best way to handle stupid questions

I think we are to a point where the answer is not black and white. There is simply no solution that does not involve some degree of pain. I personally think the pain incurred by having more personal freedom and less government interaction will be more beneficial to this country long-term than the pain associated with excessive government control.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:57 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Well it's not called "welfare" in other countries so you wouldn't get hits.


It was labeled welfare to get the public behind government provided public assistance, and the term used in the Constitution.

It's for the greater Welfare.... Ummmm, no it is not.


This nation was based and founded upon the laws of nature, not what is thought up in theory, of some brilliant mind, to micro manage and punish the behavior of mankind and the reality of the strong survive.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:12 AM
 
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The point you're attempting to make is obvious. You think we should be like all those countries that have full-blown, cradle-to-grave entitlements.

Newsflash - we're not like them, and we didn't rise to become the world's only superpower and the economic backbone of the world in only 200 years by trying to emulate them. There's absolutely no reason to start now.
Actually, we did emulate existing world powers in our rise to global power.

Our imperialism in the 19th and early 20th centuries was an emulation of what countries like Great Britain, France, and Germany had been doing, it was our effort to "keep up with the Jones" on the global scene.

Our status as world power equal to or superior to the other major powers didn't come into effect until WWII, a time when the country basically nationalized much of industry for the war effort and FDR's New Deal programs (which emulated European programs) were raising the living standards of the country. A major benefactor of our national economy was the interstate road system, an emulation of Germany's Autobahn that Eisenhower had seen the positive aspects of. Our space program emulated German scientific research and emulated Soviet space efforts.

We wouldn't have become a world power if we hadn't emulated existing world powers and modeled our policies on theirs. We were competitive with the major powers from the start, and to compete, we often emulated.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:20 AM
 
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Actually, we did emulate existing world powers in our rise to global power.

Our imperialism in the 19th and early 20th centuries was an emulation of what countries like Great Britain, France, and Germany had been doing, it was our effort to "keep up with the Jones" on the global scene.

Our status as world power equal to or superior to the other major powers didn't come into effect until WWII, a time when the country basically nationalized much of industry for the war effort and FDR's New Deal programs (which emulated European programs) were raising the living standards of the country. A major benefactor of our national economy was the interstate road system, an emulation of Germany's Autobahn that Eisenhower had seen the positive aspects of. Our space program emulated German scientific research and emulated Soviet space efforts.

We wouldn't have become a world power if we hadn't emulated existing world powers and modeled our policies on theirs. We were competitive with the major powers from the start, and to compete, we often emulated.
How dare you go against the new Gop/Fox News mantra/talking point "American Exceptionalism".
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