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Old 08-10-2011, 11:57 AM
 
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Did the state have the authority to put a stop to Warren Jeff's religious FLDS practices of raping young children under the guise of "a celestial marriage?"
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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There is no debate. This is what the constitution requires. End of story.
Actually, the government has no power in those matters, that is what the constitution states.

A representative calling for prayer as a request is without power to enforce which is the key issue here. They can not instill doctrinal means upon the people as any form of dictation, they are powerless to do so. That is why when someone calls out such to any particular religious belief, it doesn't matter as they have no authority to establish it, so whether they do or do not promote something is irrelevant as that is as far as they can go, again... they are powerless.
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Old 08-10-2011, 11:59 AM
 
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That's exactly my point--the SCOTUS interpretation of it is flat out wrong. The original intent of the 1st Ammendment was to not have it applied to the states.
Was being the key word, congress passed the 14th amendment, which is the basis for incorporation. Up until the 14th amendment was passed, there was no question that the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government.

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Did the state have the authority to put a stop to Warren Jeff's religious FLDS practices of raping young children under the guise of "a celestial marriage?"
Yes, the government may inhibit the free exercise of religion in order to further a valid secular purpose. The government does not need to provide a religious exemption if such an exemption would undermine the effectiveness of the law.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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So you think a state would ratify a constitution that they were themselves in violation of?

As for your question...if I wasn't comfortable living in a particular state because of its state religion I'd move. They just didn't want the federal government to dictate religion to them.
States compromised on certain issues in order to form a Union.

I presume you are Protestant. Suppose there were no Protestant states?
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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Was being the key word, congress passed the 14th amendment, which is the basis for incorporation. Up until the 14th amendment was passed, there was no question that the Bill of Rights applied only to the federal government.
To build upon this, the states were the ones who ratified the 14th amendment therefore they are said to have consented to its passage.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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Another atheist? After all they belong to the same cult.
Nuts.

The God I do not believe in may be utterly different from the God or Gods that other people do not believe in.


Story time: The Scots are known for being rather divided upon their religious beliefs.

Once a Scotsman was shipwrecked on an island. He was stranded for months and, to occupy his time, he built two churches.

He was saved one day by the appearance of a ship. The captain came ashore and asked the Scot the purpose of the two churches.

The Scotsman replied: "One is the church I go to. The other is the church I don't go to".
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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Did the state have the authority to put a stop to Warren Jeff's religious FLDS practices of raping young children under the guise of "a celestial marriage?"
Did his actions violate individual liberty? I know this goes more into the issue of what is consenting, but let us say they did not consent to place it in the proper context of your mention using "rape" which is an action of force upon a victim that is not consenting.

So, if one is forced into something against their action, then their individual liberty has been violated. In such cases, ones religious practice does not trump individual liberty, so the state had every right to protect from such violation of ones rights.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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States compromised on certain issues in order to form a Union.

I presume you are Protestant. Suppose there were no Protestant states?
I would bet the argument here would change fast if a state adopted Islam as their religion.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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States compromised on certain issues in order to form a Union.

I presume you are Protestant. Suppose there were no Protestant states?

What "compromise"? The states each had a right to define an official religion.

But to answer your question...there were 4 states that had no religion. Move if you don't like it.
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Old 08-10-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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I would bet the argument here would change fast if a state adopted Islam as their religion.
Exactly. Or if local cities were allowed to adopt religion i.e. Dearborn, MI.
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