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Old 09-09-2011, 10:33 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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The Op qustion begs the question;what do anyone who pays taxes benefit from the poor who only consume and contribute no wealth to the country? He seems to be confused who is actually a liabilty and brings nothing to the game.i am surprised that progressives are not callig for eliminatig them like unwanted children really. That is their normal logic thinking'elimination of the ones who weaken the herds survival.
Actually that is not true, the poor are the people that actually keep this country going. How? who do you think buys all of the garbage that the rich and middleclass don't? The middleclass normally budget and buy things that they actually need (there are exceptions) and the rich buy things that the middleclass normally can't afford and not in bulk. Now with these scenarios w/o the low middleclass and poor who "stimulate the economy.

People need to get off of the "elitist" attitude into believing that the wealthy are the solution to all of this country's ills although in many cases are the reason why we are in this mess in the first place. The rich needs the poor and the poor needs the rich. The rich, however does not necessarily need the middleclass and that is something that the self righteous teabaggers need to understand.
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Old 09-09-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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So the question now remains... Why won't anybody repeal NAFTA?...
HC, i tried to give you a point but it wouldn't let me because i already had recently. this is what i was getting from it too.
while some conservatives in congress may be selfish, greedy , ill informed and callous toward the poor, some liberals seem to be stupid, mistaken, deceived, not good at math and way too nice to the poor of other countries instead of their own....
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Old 09-09-2011, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Oregon
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The Op qustion begs the question;what do anyone who pays taxes benefit from the poor who only consume and contribute no wealth to the country? He seems to be confused who is actually a liabilty and brings nothing to the game.i am surprised that progressives are not callig for eliminatig them like unwanted children really. That is their normal logic thinking'elimination of the ones who weaken the herds survival.
actually the poor consume and that is what this country is built on- consumption. that is of course what creates demand for goods, which creates JOBS.
the op is asking why these poor and lower middle class are voting for conservatives who want to favor the rich, NOT pay the deficit via taxes on wealthy, and cut essential programs for the poor.Thus increasing the disparity between living conditions of the rich vs poor in the usa.
I think part of the answer is that the conservs know how to keep their poor voters on the hook by letting them nibble at little promises of "christian values" legislation. While stabbing them in the gut with their other hand.
So if the libs were smart, they would include plenty of this good moral standards stuff in their voting packages too. But we know they aren't.

So it's come down to what is now being observed by some in the media- and of course we have already noticed- the two main parties have polarized themselves to the point of impossiblility. NO ONE but the fringe few needs the extremes of either party but it seems they keep including these extremes anyway, and imposing them on the us population to our greater ruin.
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Old 09-09-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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Why would anyone expect logic from people who directly vote against their own interests? Intelligence is not a hallmark of many of the very highly religious conservatives who live in poverty and vote Republican. That's what happens when you spend your life reading only one book over and over again.
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Old 09-09-2011, 06:16 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Why would anyone expect logic from people who directly vote against their own interests? Intelligence is not a hallmark of many of the very highly religious conservatives who live in poverty and vote Republican. That's what happens when you spend your life reading only one book over and over again.

Sadly, they are reading and misquoting the wrong parts of that very same book.
It really should be the Christian right that defends the defenseless and aides the poor.
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Old 09-09-2011, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Sadly, they are reading and misquoting the wrong parts of that very same book.
It really should be the Christian right that defends the defenseless and aides the poor.
I'm no expert on Christianity, but I have a clear understanding about how people learn and grow.

With the exception of people who are disabled, you don't aid the poor by giving them handouts. You do it by teaching them to stand on their own two feet. What woman resists weaning her children? What parents want to keep the training wheels on their kid's bike? What teacher wants her students to fail so that she can continue to shine? What coach shortens the length of a race to improve a runner's performance?

Liberals don't want to end poverty. They need it, so that they can be continue to feel wanted and to receive the gratitude of the less fortunate. Not to mention their votes.

The bitter truth is that by making people increasingly dependent on handouts, we guarantee that they will never escape the cycle of poverty. This is a fact that the Left simply refuses to acknowledge. Their insistence on seeing government as a charity most harms the people they profess to care about.

So maybe liberals aren't the smart ones, after all. Just the best at self-deception.
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Old 09-09-2011, 10:06 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The bitter truth is that by making people increasingly dependent on handouts, we guarantee that they will never escape the cycle of poverty. This is a fact that the Left simply refuses to acknowledge. Their insistence on seeing government as a charity most harms the people they profess to care about.

So maybe liberals aren't the smart ones, after all. Just the best at self-deception.
And a particularly cruel and selfish self-deception, at that.
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Old 09-12-2011, 02:11 AM
 
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I always refer to this video because Maggie says it best...


Margaret Thatcher on Socialism - YouTube
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Old 09-12-2011, 02:29 AM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Since the begining of time, the wealthy have never really paid taxes. The vast majority of the wealthy are business people that have attained their wealth through their business.. When you increase the taxes on these people, they meerly increase the price of the goods and services they produce, and you purchase, in order to offset the tax. The result is that you just increased the tax on yourself, not on them.
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:26 AM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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I'm no expert on Christianity, but I have a clear understanding about how people learn and grow.

With the exception of people who are disabled, you don't aid the poor by giving them handouts. You do it by teaching them to stand on their own two feet. What woman resists weaning her children? What parents want to keep the training wheels on their kid's bike? What teacher wants her students to fail so that she can continue to shine? What coach shortens the length of a race to improve a runner's performance?

Liberals don't want to end poverty. They need it, so that they can be continue to feel wanted and to receive the gratitude of the less fortunate. Not to mention their votes.

The bitter truth is that by making people increasingly dependent on handouts, we guarantee that they will never escape the cycle of poverty. This is a fact that the Left simply refuses to acknowledge. Their insistence on seeing government as a charity most harms the people they profess to care about.

So maybe liberals aren't the smart ones, after all. Just the best at self-deception.

But on the other end of the spectrum, you have people that just want to cut others off without looking at the full picture. When this country is doing well and there are jobs for everyone that is the time to have major reforms in our social structure regarding the needs of the less fortunate. It is being very socially irresponsible to do it when the country is not stable.
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