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Old 09-11-2011, 08:34 AM
 
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Agreed. It is "legislation" without the consent of the people or an elected body and is a subversion of the balances of government.

When we have an organization with the power of the EPA that essentially enforces whatever the hell it wants under the guise of the "Clean Air and Water Act", we have a rogue organization operating outside the law.

BAN THE EPA.
Is that the only thing that you think the EPA has done for the good of the public in all the years of its existence?
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Old 09-11-2011, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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Can you be a bit more specific? What works for the area? Seriously, what does that mean?
Sorry, I forget that people who have never seen hay bales don't grasp that.

Hay balers out here use twine. It comes in big 10 lb boxes on reels that fit onto the mechanical hay balers. It mechanically ties the hay into those huge 1500 lb rolls so that they don't become unrolled. It does not encapsulate them in netting, which is a real B*** to cut thru when you are out in a -40 deg winter blizzard in 60 mph winds trying to feed 300+ hungry, aggressive head of cattle from the back of a flat-bed pickup. Not to mention that the netting is far more expensive than twine, which raises the cost exponentially at market. Ranchers prefer to pay for quality alfalfa and hay, not the packaging. The netting attachment is also more expensive - and more likely to get fouled, which costs time to undo.

Secondly, we don't stack our hay in a "pollution containment" area, or even under a shelter to protect it from rain. With the literally thousands of hay bales cut and raked one day, then baled the next, there is simply no place to put them, except out in the fields. You can't cut hay when you want; weather and even ambient humidity dictate when the fields are too muddy, when the hay is too damp from nighttime moisture, when it is going to rain, when the sun is up. So hay has to be done when it is ready, fully grown and starting to dry, not one day before or after; which means that it is done at a furious albeit steady pace, from sunup til after sundown, while the weather holds.

I hope that explains it a little better.
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:02 AM
 
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Obama is going to have something to say about this!
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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The guy is not following the rules (sorry bud, but being small doesn't mean you are allowed to maintain a sloppy operation) and now some sites are cherry picking and slanting tryng to make the EP look silly. And of course there are always people who will say "It's all Obama's fault" and some who actually believe everything they read and nod their heads.

Here is the actual letter from the EPA:

http://nobull.mikecallicrate.com/wp-...complaint1.pdf

And BB sure you can cut your grass - unless you are mowing a football field the amount is very small. The issue is cutting / harvesting / spraying anything out in farming country where your stuff can get into the next guy's stuff. If you don't have proper storage for your hay, don't cut it. Or do you think your neighbors appreciate your dry hay seeds blowing into whatever it is that you're growing?
Too bad such precautions aren't being forced on Monsanto. In fact, Monsanto's GMO crops are infecting surrounding lands with their poisons, and guess what? They then go in and sue those who were "infected" for patent violations of their GMO seeds.

Your dog does't hunt. Liberal kool-aide drinkers .... the intelligentsia at their finest!!
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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Sorry, I forget that people who have never seen hay bales don't grasp that.

Hay balers out here use twine. It comes in big 10 lb boxes on reels that fit onto the mechanical hay balers. It mechanically ties the hay into those huge 1500 lb rolls so that they don't become unrolled. It does not encapsulate them in netting, which is a real B*** to cut thru when you are out in a -40 deg winter blizzard in 60 mph winds trying to feed 300+ hungry, aggressive head of cattle from the back of a flat-bed pickup. Not to mention that the netting is far more expensive than twine, which raises the cost exponentially at market. Ranchers prefer to pay for quality alfalfa and hay, not the packaging. The netting attachment is also more expensive - and more likely to get fouled, which costs time to undo.

Secondly, we don't stack our hay in a "pollution containment" area, or even under a shelter to protect it from rain. With the literally thousands of hay bales cut and raked one day, then baled the next, there is simply no place to put them, except out in the fields. You can't cut hay when you want; weather and even ambient humidity dictate when the fields are too muddy, when the hay is too damp from nighttime moisture, when it is going to rain, when the sun is up. So hay has to be done when it is ready, fully grown and starting to dry, not one day before or after; which means that it is done at a furious albeit steady pace, from sunup til after sundown, while the weather holds.

I hope that explains it a little better.
They won't understand. You're trying to reason with people who have no clue, or understand anything about the EPA/FDA except what they hear from the official talking heads.

These urban liberals understand the world of farming and ranching better than farmers and ranchers .... don't you understand this? They were taught everything they need to know in a couple of semesters in college, and it is you who just doesn't get it. Get it?.

So when you hear them tell you "Now go put that $1.50 RFID tag on your $2 chicken, and quit yer whining .... it's the law!" ... don't waste your time trying to explain the real world to those living in a fantasy world. It's a fruitless act of futility ... and they can't even comprehend the easy part .... the obvious doubling of the costs of that chicken won't even register. To them it's no big deal .... they're used to paying $6.50 for a wing and a thigh and a biscuit at Popeyes..
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Old 09-11-2011, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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Can you be a bit more specific? What works for the area? Seriously, what does that mean?
It means, what he likes and to hell with anybody else!!
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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Sorry, I forget that people who have never seen hay bales don't grasp that.

Hay balers out here use twine. It comes in big 10 lb boxes on reels that fit onto the mechanical hay balers. It mechanically ties the hay into those huge 1500 lb rolls so that they don't become unrolled. It does not encapsulate them in netting, which is a real B*** to cut thru when you are out in a -40 deg winter blizzard in 60 mph winds trying to feed 300+ hungry, aggressive head of cattle from the back of a flat-bed pickup. Not to mention that the netting is far more expensive than twine, which raises the cost exponentially at market. Ranchers prefer to pay for quality alfalfa and hay, not the packaging. The netting attachment is also more expensive - and more likely to get fouled, which costs time to undo.

Secondly, we don't stack our hay in a "pollution containment" area, or even under a shelter to protect it from rain. With the literally thousands of hay bales cut and raked one day, then baled the next, there is simply no place to put them, except out in the fields. You can't cut hay when you want; weather and even ambient humidity dictate when the fields are too muddy, when the hay is too damp from nighttime moisture, when it is going to rain, when the sun is up. So hay has to be done when it is ready, fully grown and starting to dry, not one day before or after; which means that it is done at a furious albeit steady pace, from sunup til after sundown, while the weather holds.

I hope that explains it a little better.
Thank you for taking the time to explain. Does this process make the hay more prone to bacteria or infestatoins? I really have to backtrack to read the article in the OP again.
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:10 AM
 
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They won't understand. You're trying to reason with people who have no clue, or understand anything about the EPA/FDA except what they hear from the official talking heads.

These urban liberals understand the world of farming and ranching better than farmers and ranchers .... don't you understand this? They were taught everything they need to know in a couple of semesters in college, and it is you who just doesn't get it. Get it?.

So when you hear them tell you "Now go put that $1.50 RFID tag on your $2 chicken, and quit yer whining .... it's the law!" ... don't waste your time trying to explain the real world to those living in a fantasy world. It's a fruitless act of futility ... and they can't even comprehend the easy part .... the obvious doubling of the costs of that chicken won't even register. To them it's no big deal .... they're used to paying $6.50 for a wing and a thigh and a biscuit at Popeyes..
I actually do pay more on the occasions that I eat beef (very seldom) or poultry (sometimes) as I prefer non commericially raised and do not consume this food outside of my home and prepared by me. I do realize that to feed the masses as the population grows, commercially raised food and its problems will increase and Monsanto will get bigger and bigger and badder. Maybe it is time for the USA to rethink and retrain its agricultural sector and to educate the population that is totally food and nutrition ignorant.
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:15 AM
 
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Too bad such precautions aren't being forced on Monsanto. In fact, Monsanto's GMO crops are infecting surrounding lands with their poisons, and guess what? They then go in and sue those who were "infected" for patent violations of their GMO seeds.

Your dog does't hunt. Liberal kool-aide drinkers .... the intelligentsia at their finest!!
Monsanto Fined By EPA For Illegally Selling Genetically Engineered Cotton Seeds
Monsanto Fined By EPA For Illegally Selling Genetically Engineered Cotton Seeds

We need an EPA if we want to drink clean water, breath clean air, have oil spills cleaned up by the offenders, have pesticides regulated tested and banned if necessary, etc.

But, this is the problem...the corruption within Corporate America that infiltrates governenment agencies...

The Amazing Revolving Door -
Monsanto, FDA & EPA

The Amazing Revolving Door - Monsanto, FDA And EPA
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Way,Way Up On The Old East Coast
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Default " The Danged Gobbermint's Big Nose Be In Evverthang Y'all" ARRRRRRGH !

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lifelongMOgal !!! ... On the money !

Indeed ... The crew of misfits in the "Ole Yankee WH" appear to have absolutely no regard whatsoever for the "Greatest Historical & Present Day American's" : (The American Family Farmer's)... and thank God for them !!!

Why on earth would anyone in the Gobbermint want to impose anymore hardships on the American Family Farmer than they already have to put up with regarding endless regulations and the low prices they receive for the vital products and services in which they work so hard to provide for all of us.

Anyone looking for true "American Hero's" to revere and "Look Up To" as role models ... Look no further, for you have found them !
Thats right blokes, it's the "AMERICAN Family Farmer" !

America truly has many vile and determined enemies ... unfortunately it appears many of them are within the boundaries of our own nation !!!

Any attempt to eliminate the 'Family Farmer" ... may well indicate an attempt by the elite among us to eliminate everything that "Loyal American's hold dear !!!

May we be ever mindful and ever watchful of the "America" we love and revere !

Cheers / Old Sgt. Lamar
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