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So? It clearly also was not in the papers that Arthur burned.
Prove it.
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Hinman went all the way to Canada and spend weeks trying to pin a foreign birth on Arthur. He interviewed upwards of a dozen different people. He worked on the issue for more than a year.
He made no effort to go find the public records on Arthur's father's naturalization. He could have gotten the information with a letter.
Bingo! PROOF that no one knew or even suspected Arthur's father was NOT a U.S. citizen at the time of Arthur's birth because of all of Arthur's lies and obfuscations about his family! YES!!!
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Oh... and all the newspapers that called him an "Irishman" and "the son of an Irishman."
They said the same thing about Kennedy. Didn't mean Kennedy had a non-U.S. citizen parent though, did it?
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What makes you think his father had a copy at all?
Arthur had several things he was hiding and ordered destroyed shortly before his death. His own ineligibility clearly just one of many things.
Again? Okay. Here it is. Perfectly intact. Not a singe.
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Bingo! PROOF that no one knew or even suspected Arthur's father was NOT a U.S. citizen at the time of Arthur's birth because of all of Arthur's lies and obfuscations about his family!
Or...
Bingo! PROOF that no one in Arthur's time believed you needed two citizen parents to be a natural born citizen.
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Arthur had several things he was hiding and ordered destroyed shortly before his death. His own ineligibility clearly just one of many things.
How would you pretend to know? More wild speculation on your part. It appears that you cannot help yourself.
All we know is that:
1. None of the alleged "lies" he told about his family history could have possibly concealed his father's citizenship status.
2. The record of his father's naturalization was always a public record, available to anybody who bothered to look.
3. Whatever he burned, he did not burn his father's naturalization record which exists to this day.
4. Even as a political operative spent months and much money trying to prove Arthur was not a natural born citizen, the wacky Birther two citizen parent theory never even crossed his mind.
In 1885, Thomas F. Bayard, the guy who sent a response letter to Hinman, made a decision himself that children of foreigners born in the U.S. were not even considered citizens. In 1885 Chester Arthur was President. There goes the claim down the tube that William Arthur naturalization story was known to the public; it was not even known to the U.S. government.
In 1885, Thomas F. Bayard, the guy who sent a response letter to Hinman, made a decision himself that children of foreigners born in the U.S. were not even considered citizens. In 1885 Chester Arthur was President. There goes the claim down the tube that William Arthur naturalization story was known to the public; it was not even known to the U.S. government.
So who was Thomas F. Bayard and what gave him the right to decide who was a NBC?
So who was Thomas F. Bayard and what gave him the right to decide who was a NBC?
That is obviously not the point of my post.
The point of my post Katiana is to show how much the public knew, or even how much the Secretary of State (yes Bayard was the US Secretary of State) knew about Chester being a British subject at birth via his father. He would have taken issue on the President himself before he decided the following..
‘the son of a German subject, born in Ohio, was not a citizen under the statute or the Constitution, because “he was on his birth ‘subject to a foreign power,’ and ‘not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States’ The Nation, 1894.
The point of my post Katiana is to show how much the public knew, or even how much the Secretary of State (yes Bayard was the US Secretary of State) knew about Chester being a British subject at birth via his father. He would have taken issue on the President himself before he decided the following..
So? he was not in a position to rule on who is or who isn't NBC. That's his opinion, and like &*(*&(&U everyone has one. He was one person. There were over hundred thousand other people during that time who could have had a differing opinion.
the only opinion that matters is the Supreme Court's decision and they made it clear in Wong Kim Ark
In 1885, Thomas F. Bayard, the guy who sent a response letter to Hinman, made a decision himself that children of foreigners born in the U.S. were not even considered citizens. In 1885 Chester Arthur was President. There goes the claim down the tube that William Arthur naturalization story was known to the public; it was not even known to the U.S. government.
Before you can connect the dots, you have to actually have dots.
This is a fragment of an unsourced comment from a 1894 magazine article.
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Back to Minor...the definition of a natural born citizen was given to satisfy what this term means in the Constitution.
It was specifically used in reference to presidential eligibility. "All children born of parents who were its citizens" was the "nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar ..."
This definition mirrors the Vattel definition, this definition mirrors the wording used by several Supreme Court Justices.
Spin it all you want....Rubio and Obama are not natural born citizens.
So who was Thomas F. Bayard and what gave him the right to decide who was a NBC?
Who was Hinman and what gave him the right to decide who was a citizen. I will tell you who he was. A paid political hatchet man hired by the Democrats.
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