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Old 04-13-2013, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by Nonarchist View Post
Since 1513 AD?

Parents were EVERYTHING back in the day.
That has nothing to do with natural born birth in the United States of America.

Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, HI.

Hawaii was in 1961 and is today an American state.

Barack Obama is a natural born American citizen.

He is eligible to be president.

Get over it.

 
Old 04-14-2013, 12:36 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
That has nothing to do with natural born birth in the United States of America.

Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, HI.

Hawaii was in 1961 and is today an American state.

Barack Obama is a natural born American citizen.

He is eligible to be president.

Get over it.
He is an politico-schematic citizen.

He was born under a temporary foreign student visa.

Nothing natural about it at all.

Last edited by Nonarchist; 04-14-2013 at 12:47 AM..
 
Old 04-14-2013, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by Nonarchist View Post
He is an politico-schematic citizen.

He was born under a temporary foreign student visa.

Nothing natural about it at all.
Prove this nonsense.
 
Old 04-14-2013, 01:10 AM
 
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Prove this nonsense.
Try post #2997.

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Old 04-14-2013, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Originally Posted by Nonarchist View Post
He was born under a temporary foreign student visa.
Wow... you've got to be one precocious kid when you have already been granted a temporary foreign student visa before you were even born.



If, on the other hand, you were talking about his father's student visa... then that's completely irrelevant. Birthright citizenship belongs to the baby... nobody else. His father's drivers license, immunization record and 4th grade Spelling Bee medal don't matter either.

 
Old 04-14-2013, 09:26 AM
 
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Wow... you've got to be one precocious kid when you have already been granted a temporary foreign student visa before you were even born.



If, on the other hand, you were talking about his father's student visa... then that's completely irrelevant. Birthright citizenship belongs to the baby... nobody else. His father's drivers license, immunization record and 4th grade Spelling Bee medal don't matter either.

Under! I said, "under" a temporary foreign student visa.

He was spawned at a time and circumstance that his father was statutorily permitted "entrance" into the American Carnal Canal Zone.

John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone - off base.
 
Old 04-14-2013, 09:48 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by Harrier View Post
Uh, Historian Dude is an adult on this thread.
Then why is he acting like a child? He's throwing temper tantrums because he's been proven wrong repeatedly in this thread.
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You are a birther.
I am a Constitutionalist. You see, I happen to think things like free speech (1st Amendment) and protection from unreasonable government intrusion into people's, homes, businesses, and property -- whether through police stops of citizens on the street, arrests, or searches of homes and businesses (4th Amendment) are important to preserve.

It's been proven time and time again in this thread that Obama DOESN'T meet the 14th Amendment's requirements for birthright U.S. citizenship. Obama is legally not even a U.S. citizen at all, let alone a natural born citizen. Ignore the 14th Amendment and what's next on the "let's ignore the Constitution" agenda? The 1st Amendment? The 4th Amendment? Think about that VERY seriously.
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He is eligible to be president.
Completely false.

Obama was NOT under the complete jurisdiction of the U.S. at birth. He fell under the U.K.'s jurisdiction in the area of citizenship. As such, Obama does NOT meet the "subject to the jurisdiction" requirement's meaning and intent stated in the Congressional Record:
"The provision is, that ‘all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.’ That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof?’ Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means."

Obama was subject to the U.K.'s citizenship jurisdiction. He owed*allegiance*to a foreign power at birth.

Legally, Obama isn't even a U.S. citizen at all. He is only recognized as one by current political policy.

The same is true of any child born in the U.S. to a non-citizen parent whose country asserts worldwide jurisdiction in the same manner. Legally, they are not U.S. citizens. They are only recognized as such by current political policy.
 
Old 04-14-2013, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Originally Posted by Nonarchist View Post
Under! I said, "under" a temporary foreign student visa.
I know exactly what you said, and have called you out for it's stupidity. Obama was born "under" his father's visa in only and exactly in the same sense he was born "under" his father's 4th grade spelling bee trophy. They are equally relevant to Obama's citizenship status.
 
Old 04-14-2013, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I am a Constitutionalist.
You are a "Constitutionalist" only on the same sense and the same extent to which followers of Moses David were "Bible-believing Christians." Birthism is by every definition a cult (actually a number of competing cults each following a particular cult leader; yours and MichealN's appears to be Mario Apuzzo), meeting at least 12 of the 15 Characteristics on the "Cultic group" checklist.

The real Constitutionalists are those who accept and conform to the system of jurisprudence and decisive legal authority given us by Article III. And 22 Article III courts have declared Barack Obama to be a natural born citizen, eligible for the position he has held now for more than four years.
 
Old 04-14-2013, 10:13 AM
 
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Originally Posted by HistorianDude View Post
I know exactly what you said, and have called you out for it's stupidity. Obama was born "under" his father's visa in only and exactly in the same sense he was born "under" his father's 4th grade spelling bee trophy. They are equally relevant to Obama's citizenship status.
You won your 4th grade spelling bee, didn't you?
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