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So why did you go on and on babbling about all of the taxes the poor pay unless you wanted to hijack and distract from the discussion?
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Originally Posted by walidm
They both pay the same taxes in highly disproportionate amounts.
You mean like 51% of americans paying ZERO income taxes?
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Originally Posted by walidm
Are there any wealthy that pay the same proportion in taxes as the poor?
Yes, but most people in the upper income brackets dont get to pay ZERO income taxes. So according to you, we should punish everyone who pays a lower rate just because a very small percentage of them get to pay less?
Tell me what do you think of the Obama debt commissions recomendation that MORE people pay, and that higher tax rates wont solve the debt problem?
Why do some people always focus the debate on the messenger and never the message.
In this case, it'a appropriate. The man said he feels he should be paying more taxes. There is NOTHING preventing him from doing so. Someone already posted the form he can use. But there is NO indication that he has done what he says he wants to do. Why is that? Likely because he'd prefer to stand in front of a microphone and SAY he wants to pay more, gaining him the admiration of sheeple everywhere, instead of actually paying more.
Same tired argument everytime. They don't want just themselves to pay taxes...they want all the wealthy to pay more taxes. They believe that is fair. You guys keep missing that. How is that possible.
that's the thing. they want EVERYBODY to pay more. noone is stopping them from paying more. they can donate whatever they want taxed. but who the f is he to sit there and demand someone else's money? my boss is a millionaire, he worked 21 hours yesterday non-stop. do you honestly believe that 40% or 50% or 60% of what he earned yesterday should be taken from his wallet just because this ahole thinks it's his right to control how much HE thinks they should pay?
like i said, he wants higher taxes on himself... fine. tell him to donate it. but he's not satisfied with that, he wants to control everybody else to his liking.
you want "fairness," then talk about a flat tax rate. that's fair.
So you are for raising taxes . Sounds like you agreee with the CEO that taxes should be raised, the only difference is that he wants to raise it on 1% of Americans and you want to raise it on 51%, but the fact is that you both want to raise them.
Thats not what the CEO is saying. He is saying "the RICH" should be paying more, but "the RICH" paying more wont solve the deficits. Even the Obama debt commission stated this is true.
You dont need to raise rates to raise tax revenues, you increase the economy and to do that you LOWER the rates which increases the GDP which increases tax revenues. He's very clearly not discussing lowering rates is he?
You need to spread the tax liability around, not INCREASE them. Thats not the same.
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Thats not what the CEO is saying. He is saying "the RICH" should be paying more.
That's what I said. The CEO wants to raise taxes, on the rich, you want to raise taxes on the middle and poor class. You both want to raise taxes, just on different groups. His group is 1%, yours is 51%.
I know a forensic accountant...yes I believe ur correct...do you think Paulson engineered some of this? I know its been going on since the 70's.....
while people post partisan b.s. on here the US is being raped and pillaged 4sure.... I tried to finish tax law in law school....too dry but thats where the big money is bcs tax lawyers work for the people w. money in Zurich...who pay zero taxes in US and are billionaires.
I believe he did... Along with Larry Summers from Goldman/Clinton's Treasury Secretary and good ole Ben Bernanke.
I believe Bernanke cannot do the right thing... his whole career is based on the theory that these bailouts will succeed... BUT the math just doesn't work and all we will end up with is a devalued currency.
If we had let the Bankers bets fail and have a proper wind down and administration of these bankrupt companies, we could have put in place new rules (Glass Stegall) or old ones to ensure it won't happen again. We could have began rebuilding.......
Now we are faced with a lost decade, like Japan has dealt with for years.
I believe he did... Along with Larry Summers from Goldman/Clinton's Treasury Secretary and good ole Ben Bernanke.
I believe Bernanke cannot do the right thing... his whole career is based on the theory that these bailouts will succeed... BUT the math just doesn't work and all we will end up with is a devalued currency.
If we had let the Bankers bets fail and have a proper wind down and administration of these bankrupt companies, we could have put in place new rules (Glass Stegall) or old ones to ensure it won't happen again. We could have began rebuilding.......
Now we are faced with a lost decade, like Japan has dealt with for years.
yes, I agree. Thank u for an educated post.
In Hawaii I met alot of small business owners "forced out" of japan....so where should we ex-patriates go, now we see our 401ks are being absconded with by UBS bank, etc.... yes tis is going to be a deep depression I agree.
That's what I said. The CEO wants to raise taxes, on the rich, you want to raise taxes on the middle and poor class. You both want to raise taxes, just on different groups. His group is 1%, yours is 51%.
No.. He wants to raise the RATES, I want to make it so more are paying.. You can do that by LOWERING rates which boosts the economy. THATS NOT THE SAME.
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Originally Posted by walidm
So tell us -
How much should taxes be raised for the 51%?
This should be easy, since you've avoided the hard questions.
1% would be more, correct? You are a realtor, you can do elementary math, right?
1% would be more, correct? You are a realtor, you can do elementary math, right?
You can't. You've proven this, shall I repost that?
Let me get this straight....
You'd like the 51% to pay 1% more than they currently pay in income taxes.
Interesting.
This is the funniest thing you've said all day. We now officially have tears in our eyes.
Thank you.
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hmm...
wow.
