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Old 12-06-2011, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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They did report it, and Col. Qadaffi said then exactly what you are saying now.

It was 90% crap then, and it's 90% crap now.



Try this one:

libya al qaeda - Google Search
Try this one for the unmitigated truth
Libyan prisoners tortured by rebels in Khoms
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Old 12-07-2011, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Yeah, Obama lost me too and I'm really Conservative.
I doubt that will EVER happen.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Please....we all know they had covert operators in there.
That would be the Big Stick.

Face it sanrene, the real reason you hate Obama's foreign policy is because it works. He eliminates more of our enemies whilst ticking off fewer people.

So rather than give him credit for deftly handling a delicate situation, you instead try to blame him for what was an inevitable situation.

The only other option would have made things worse. But of course, you don't offer any other options, do you?
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:16 AM
 
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No. Totally WRONG.

Nasser was part of the non-Aligned Movement, just like India, and just like India, Egypt incurred the wrath of the US because Egypt refused to choose sides.

Nasser also tried to unite the Muslim countries (except Iran) under one flag in the brief United Arab Republic (UAR).

That angered the US even more, because those uppity Arabs might get the bizarre idea that they actually own the oil coming out of the ground and that they should share the profits 50-50 instead of getting nothing.
Yes, Egypt was NOMINALLY part of the Non-Aligned Movement, for all that was worth. So was Cuba. None the less, Nasser kissed up to the USSR. Does not really exemplify non-aligned now does it?

The UAR had 2 members and worked for about 3 minutes before collapsing in failure. Why would the US care about that? Not to mention that neither Egypt nor Syria were big oil producers.

Not to mention it was the British, French, and Israelis who invaded Nasser's Egypt and Eisenhower's USA that pulled them out of their against their will.

Is it too much to ask to GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT?
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Face it sanrene, the real reason you hate Obama's foreign policy is because it works. He eliminates more of our enemies whilst ticking off fewer people.

So rather than give him credit for deftly handling a delicate situation, you instead try to blame him for what was an inevitable situation.

The only other option would have made things worse. But of course, you don't offer any other options, do you?
What's pathetic is that sanrene is coming from the same group that cheered the invasion of Iraq -- an invasion that had disastrous consequences.

They criticize Obama for using force in Libya, which cost 1-2 billion dollars total and no American lives, when they spent a trillion dollars in Iraq, where 4,483 American soldiers died and 50,000 got wounded and changed the geopolitical dynamic that elevated Iran's power.

Their judgment on foreign policy matters cannot be taken seriously.
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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The "arab spring" that obama hailed by pushing mubarak out of Egypt, which will now be ruled by radical islamists.

Much Lauded 'Arab Spring' Turns To Bitter Winter As Islamist Regimes Take Power - Investors.com



Turns out obama was absolutely WRONG....again.

Turns out WE were right...again.

barack hussein obama - the president who lost a moderate ME by giving it to the most radical segments of islam.

Barack Hussein Obama ~ dressed as MUSLIM SOMALI ELDER! - YouTube No surprise here.
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Old 12-07-2011, 09:42 AM
 
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What's pathetic is that sanrene is coming from the same group that cheered the invasion of Iraq -- an invasion that had disastrous consequences.

They criticize Obama for using force in Libya, which cost 1-2 billion dollars total and no American lives, when they spent a trillion dollars in Iraq, where 4,483 American soldiers died and 50,000 got wounded and changed the geopolitical dynamic that elevated Iran's power.

Their judgment on foreign policy matters cannot be taken seriously.
No, it can't. I have no dount whatsoever that if a Republican president had done EXACTLY the same thing as Obama, sanrene would be here posting about how brilliant a strategy it was.

They are transparent as glass.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Let's give Obama all the credit he is due
for war crimes against humanity and genocide in Libya


Obama's Lie: Libya - "Humanitarian act?" (Must Watch) - YouTube
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Let's give Obama all the credit he is due
for war crimes against humanity and genocide in Libya


Obama's Lie: Libya - "Humanitarian act?" (Must Watch) - YouTube
So let me understand this, instead of printing a biased account of your narrative, a video containing biased opinion snippets -- such as those from Dick Morris and others from spokesman from the Libyan government, with sombre music in the background, are supposed to have weight as an unbiased historical account.

The fact remains that without NATO intervention, the Libyan government would have massacred thousands of civilians. Do bombs sometimes kill unintended targets? Of course, and construction workers get killed building bridges. That doesn't mean we shouldn't build bridges.
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Old 12-07-2011, 07:06 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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So let me understand this, instead of printing a biased account of your narrative, a video containing biased opinion snippets -- such as those from Dick Morris and others from spokesman from the Libyan government, with sombre music in the background, are supposed to have weight as an unbiased historical account.

The fact remains that without NATO intervention, the Libyan government would have massacred thousands of civilians. Do bombs sometimes kill unintended targets? Of course, and construction workers get killed building bridges. That doesn't mean we shouldn't build bridges.
This video doesn't even begin to touch on the devastation we wrought - this was early in the fighting. As time went on, we bombed the hospitals, cut off utility's, water, food, and allowed genocide of the black workers.
This was never a humanitarian effort, this was a regime change, a violent coup by the U.S., France and Britain. We armed non-native mercenaries and won the battles for them from the sky, so they could proclaim victory over this sovereign country. We have given the Libyan people strife and civil war. And we wonder why they hate us!
We will do the same thing in Iran. Iran has never attacked another country, but if we keep pushing them, they will retaliate.
The embargo's we put on Iraq, prior to our invasion, killed 500,000 people. We are putting crushing sanctions on Iran now. This will only serve to harm populace, and make them hate us more.
The nuclear plants are for nuclear energy, as they've been saying all along. However, as we threaten them, the motivation for nukes to defend themselves is only logical. We are begging them to do something, so we can wipe them off the map. By the way, he never said that about Israel, when you get a proper interpretation. He was saying he wanted regime change in Israel, he is against the Zionists like Bebe. Ackmad has no problem with Jews, there are many living in Iran presently.
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