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View Poll Results: The middle class is suffering and Republicans want to cut taxes for the wealthy. Do you agree with t
Yes, the wealthy need more money and power. This will help America. 38 20.54%
No, the Republicans are dead wrong.This hasn't ever helped anyone but the wealthy and will continue to hurt the middle class. 147 79.46%
Voters: 185. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-04-2012, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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You guys can cherry pic data and spin it a dozen different ways. The rich people foot the bill in America today.

 
Old 01-04-2012, 03:39 PM
 
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According to Roberton Williams, Senior Fellow, Tax Policy Center:
Thus, the group of people between $100,000 per year and $500,000 per year pay 46% of income taxes and the top 1% pay 24%.
The IRS says the top 1% pays 40%+ of the tax revenues, the bottom 95 pay 40%, and the middle 4% pays 20%..

Sorry, I believe the IRS
 
Old 01-04-2012, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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well, that's certainly one way to do it. i'm not sure if having "cable and internet" qualifies one as middle class, though.
I believe it is a false measure too. In much of the nation the only way to get any TV reception is though a cable provider. Internet access is also becoming a basic necessity and concluding that anyone who has an email account is automatically considered 'middle-class' is dubious.
 
Old 01-04-2012, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The IRS says the top 1% pays 40%+ of the tax revenues, the bottom 95 pay 40%, and the middle 4% pays 20%..

Sorry, I believe the IRS
Link?
 
Old 01-04-2012, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Link?
www.irs.gov

 
Old 01-04-2012, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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That's a blow off response. The IRS homepage is not where you got that information.
 
Old 01-04-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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A Look at the Tax Returns of the Top 400 Taxpayers - Real Time Economics - WSJ

About 81.3% of the income of the top 400 households came in the form of capital gains, dividends or interest, the IRS data show. Only 6.5% came in the form of salaries and wages.


Right, and what are the rates for cap gains, dividends, or interest?
 
Old 01-04-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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A Look at the Tax Returns of the Top 400 Taxpayers - Real Time Economics - WSJ

About 81.3% of the income of the top 400 households came in the form of capital gains, dividends or interest, the IRS data show. Only 6.5% came in the form of salaries and wages.


Right, and what are the rates for cap gains, dividends, or interest?
15%, 0 to 35%, 0 to 35%.
 
Old 01-04-2012, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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That's a blow off response. The IRS homepage is not where you got that information.
One click in from the homepage. If you can't take it from here, you are not qualified to discuss the topic further.

http://www.irs.gov/taxstats/index.html?portlet=111
 
Old 01-04-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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A Look at the Tax Returns of the Top 400 Taxpayers - Real Time Economics - WSJ

About 81.3% of the income of the top 400 households came in the form of capital gains, dividends or interest, the IRS data show. Only 6.5% came in the form of salaries and wages.


Right, and what are the rates for cap gains, dividends, or interest?
The capital gains tax rate is 15%, almost TWICE the effective federal income tax rate the highest taxed of the bottom 90% of taxpayers pay.

Many of that 90% pay even less. For example, the top 25-50% group pays an effective federal income tax rate of only 5.56%. That 15% tax rate you're complaining about is nearly THREE times what that group pays.

Table 8, here: The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data
Source: IRS
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