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Tzar Bomba was 50 MT. That's equal to 58,111 gigawatt-hours.
The HAARP facility in Alaska operates at about 1 gigawatt-hours. Is there 58,111 HAARP facilities world wide working in unison?
No.
Good luck trying to convince anyone that has any clue about energy and the earth that HAARP is doing anything more than pointing out where mineral wealth is located in the earth.
Tzar Bomba was 50 MT. That's equal to 58,111 gigawatt-hours.
The HAARP facility in Alaska operates at about 1 gigawatt-hours. Is there 58,111 HAARP facilities world wide working in unison?
No.
Good luck trying to convince anyone that has any clue about energy and the earth that HAARP is doing anything more than pointing out where mineral wealth is located in the earth.
You don't understand how the HAARP system works or the principles of resonant frequencies (physics). Tesla was known as the master of Resonance.
I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm just posting information that already exists on the internet as a spark for conversation and collaboration for a better understanding of the subject matter. I will speak up if someone's intent is to derail conversation with incorrect information or outright BS.
I understand resonance frequencies, more than likely, far better than you ever could. The point being that it still takes energy to resonate something apart and when you look at the immense mass of the earth and think about the energy it would take to resonate it into an earthquake there's no way anyone understanding those principals could think 40 gigawatts of power in even 40 HAARP stations is going to do that.
Earthquakes are ELF in nature. It's already been pointed out that HAARP is not.
Barring all that, what good would it do to resonate the earth apart? It would be better to argue that they're trying to control people's emotions than to try and argue HAARP is trying to rip the earth apart. Even in doing so, controlling the mind of the masses would require ELF, which HAARP doesn't do...
I understand resonance frequencies, more than likely, far better than you ever could. The point being that it still takes energy to resonate something apart and when you look at the immense mass of the earth and think about the energy it would take to resonate it into an earthquake there's no way anyone understanding those principals could think 40 gigawatts of power in even 40 HAARP stations is going to do that.
Earthquakes are ELF in nature. It's already been pointed out that HAARP is not.
Barring all that, what good would it do to resonate the earth apart? It would be better to argue that they're trying to control people's emotions than to try and argue HAARP is trying to rip the earth apart. Even in doing so, controlling the mind of the masses would require ELF, which HAARP doesn't do...
Sent from my self-correcting mini HAARP gun!
See, there you go again, making uninformed statements. The HAARP systems does operate down to the ELF band. That pic of the HAARP Magnetometer indicated the induction frequency was 2.5 Hz. But then you obviously don't read anything posted.
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Is the energy electromagnetic or acoustic? Most of the energy dissapated by an earthquake is a extremely low frequency acoustic as illustrated by the P (pressure) and S (shake) waves conducted by the crustal rocks. I still do not understand how electromagnetic radiation of whatever frequency can be used to trigger one set of rocks to slide along another converting megajoules of stress into measurable displacement.
Key word would be tomography. The techniques they use to explore for oil & gas these days involve sonic resonance similar the way radar sends a picture back. Humans are conditioned to believe sound has little to no consequence.
Mixed messages in here, however, it is pointing at something that's possible.
Earthquakes and Oil : Exploring Marine Tomography Induced Seismicity - YouTube
Do you believe fracking is causing earthquakes in Ohio? I do. Lax regulatory climate combined with socialized risk gives these jokers impunity to throw huge swaths of people under the wheels of 'progress'. Smacks of false prosperity boom in south west mining for uranium without a clue. Has that region ever recovered? Has Mingo and Mcdowell counties in WV? So long as something others want is under their feet, there is no possibility of health or recovery.
Speak down to me, I am a simple person. When I quit drinking, I was told to keep it simple stupid, and I find that works well for me. People intentionally try to complicate issues, politicians for example, via language, to dissuade the public from knowing what is really going on.
Agree and disagree with you here. SOME people do intentionally complicate issues to get others off track. More often than not it's individuals allowing their own BS in the way. More often than not it's merely the difference between your orientation, or coin of vantage, and my own. Each of our perspectives has elements of truth and untruth. No matter how you slice it, whether I be blind, you deaf, and another mute, we are all of us attempting to describe an elephant that none are in the position to completely comprehend on our own.
Some are detail orientated. You are not. Let me do my work, you do yours, and hopefully we'll arrive in the middle understanding it more comprehensively. I'm not here to mess with your head. I'm not in this thread for the purpose of cutting down people, but ridding needles of the hay they're buried under. But I do wholeheartedly agree that we will have to get to a point of KISS system. To be able to relay a universal message so a 7yr old can understand. The truth shouldn't need embellishment.
Most people will not even engage in politics or world affairs and are perfectly content just waking up everyday, going to work, coming home and going to sleep. Their idea of controversial subjects are on TV or at the movies.
Don't be so quick to characterize motives here. People who superficially appear apathetic often times aren't. For some it is resignation to failure & despair. Others it's a lack of meaningful direction or diminished capacity to discern. Others still it's a response of frustration and an army of one boycott in and off itself. Particularly among the religious who do not aspire for dominion over others & attempt to be more conscientious about where their energy is directed. At the family table the middle child strikes me most masterful dealing with the extremes of eldest and youngest dramas. Being eldest I've come to appreciate that about them. Amish are an example of wholesale rejection of materialist values who put the rest of the country on 'ignore'. It's not that they don't care, but that dialog is near impossible when values are so disparate. There is no conflict with them & what calls itself "American values" because they do not aspire for dominion as the 2 party system has animated itself.
Gen X is not the apathetic creature media has convinced themselves. They just go about things differently. Being shot at by both sides & transcending it with forgiveness (but not forgetting) tends to yield a more reticent, aware of evil but resist partaking demeanor. If staring a mad man in unbroken trance is going to yield getting sucked into a vortex, the tar baby robbing them of simple joys of life, they'll sensibly reject it as a rudimentary form of self defense. Therein lies the folk wisdom reminding brainiacs not to have their head in the clouds so high they can't see their own feet. Intelligenzia often talks itself into jail with a high rate of recidivism. I chuckle hard at atheists angry with 'primitive' religious never realizing it's a mutual service to keep each other honest. We can all do better.
Well, first off ... this internet forum is just that ... an internet forum and not a formal research program prepared to answer all questions. I (or someone else) post something and then people can reply with their knowledge or they might decide to do a little research themselves and reply with their findings. Its a living thread.
I accept that with no illusions or expectations of omnipotence from you or anyone. That's why my maker is much much higher off the ground.
Additionally, I accept this conversation is never going to be able to aspire for academic standards because the overwhelming majority of bloggers in open forums are jack of all trades masters of none. Ex. one of the hats I wore in life were HAZWOPER quals for decades but it never dipped a toe in nukes. I know full well the what and why of radio frequencies to be concerned about, but once radioactivity is in the mix, hands up, I'm way out of my league. I troubleshoot electrical, but once we're talking opening up high amp panels, stand aside for the electrician. I'm not fooling with it. I'm aware of multi disciplines in a periphery way as most accustomed to working in a large organization.
The nature of the problem you're grappling is interdisciplinary, and so, even a specialist proficient in radio frequencies cannot answer all once technology leapfrogs over itself or does a hybrid morph into another animal altogether. Ex. Soft science of psychology has a primary mission of good intentions, but when mixed with theology or marketing becomes a beast we called 3rd reich. One of the criticisms greg threw out there didn't take into account that if a high end structural engineer were attending this thread, he'd point out that vibration tests are part of his trade over issues identical to this. That's why I posited the question about that particular frequencies effect on industrial grade construction techniques for nuke plants.
Final disclaimer- this conversation cannot help but be artless grasping for lowest common denominators of understanding & flawed metaphors but I intend to stick with it. I hope you do too, and I hope I can help arrive at truth.
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Originally Posted by Don9
I gain information as I research so some of my opinions from an earlier posts might change with newer information. Some of the information found on the internet for a program like HAARP (and similar programs) will result in conflicting and bogus information. The idea is to work through this information and hopefully come to some mutual conclusion ... but its still just some peoples opinions.
I accept that too, so long as we keep ourselves in the business of sorting truth from lies/ misconceptions. Forcing 1 + 0 to be 2 is non productive. 1 + x = 2 means we need to focus harder on gathering material evidence for x or return to the drawing board with more hypothesis. Open to other ideas. Full disclosure of my own prejudice- Ockham's razor is most often correct.
See, there you go again, making uninformed statements. The HAARP systems does operate down to the ELF band. That pic of the HAARP Magnetometer indicated the induction frequency was 2.5 Hz. But then you obviously don't read anything posted.
What does HAARP stand for?
High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP)
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Table of Frequency Allocations 3.025-5.68 MHz (HF)
Table of Frequency Allocations 22.855-29.7 MHz (HF)
Table of Frequency Allocations 29.7-47 MHz (HF/VHF)
Don't be so quick to characterize motives here. People who superficially appear apathetic often times aren't. For some it is resignation to failure & despair. Others it's a lack of meaningful direction or diminished capacity to discern. Others still it's a response of frustration and an army of one boycott in and off itself. Particularly among the religious who do not aspire for dominion over others & attempt to be more conscientious about where their energy is directed. At the family table the middle child strikes me most masterful dealing with the extremes of eldest and youngest dramas. Being eldest I've come to appreciate that about them. Amish are an example of wholesale rejection of materialist values who put the rest of the country on 'ignore'. It's not that they don't care, but that dialog is near impossible when values are so disparate. There is no conflict with them & what calls itself "American values" because they do not aspire for dominion as the 2 party system has animated itself.
Gen X is not the apathetic creature media has convinced themselves. They just go about things differently. Being shot at by both sides & transcending it with forgiveness (but not forgetting) tends to yield a more reticent, aware of evil but resist partaking demeanor. If staring a mad man in unbroken trance is going to yield getting sucked into a vortex, the tar baby robbing them of simple joys of life, they'll sensibly reject it as a rudimentary form of self defense. Therein lies the folk wisdom reminding brainiacs not to have their head in the clouds so high they can't see their own feet. Intelligenzia often talks itself into jail with a high rate of recidivism. I chuckle hard at atheists angry with 'primitive' religious never realizing it's a mutual service to keep each other honest. We can all do better.
To put it in more simple terms, I think the squabbling and labels of conspiracy turn people off to knowledge that isn't fed to them on the evening news. If it's not on CNN or FOX it can't be true. People don't want to believe that those that wield power over us, could possibly have ill intent, or if they do, it's not me, so why should I care. Curiosity and the quest for knowledge should be promoted and embraced, instead of ridiculed. This is about uncovering ability's of our technology that we are not privy to. Don didn't have to present this material, knowing he would make himself a target. I applaud his courage.
I have never had any interest in space exploration, or scientific technology to this extent. It is developing and I wish others would quit shutting the door for me. I'll shut the door when I'm good n ready. Meanwhile, I am interested in what don is presenting. It's a fascinating subject, and hope others can contribute to exposing gov't secrets.
Look up Black Budget Programs, there is so much going on that we have no awareness of, yet we are paying the tab.
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Amish are an example of wholesale rejection of materialist values who put the rest of the country on 'ignore'. It's not that they don't care, but that dialog is near impossible when values are so disparate. There is no conflict with them & what calls itself "American values" because they do not aspire for dominion as the 2 party system has animated itself.
Disclaimers, then move onto business.
