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I accept that with no illusions or expectations of omnipotence from you or anyone. That's why my maker is much much higher off the ground.
Additionally, I accept this conversation is never going to be able to aspire for academic standards because the overwhelming majority of bloggers in open forums are jack of all trades masters of none. Ex. one of the hats I wore in life were HAZWOPER quals for decades but it never dipped a toe in nukes. I know full well the what and why of radio frequencies to be concerned about, but once radioactivity is in the mix, hands up, I'm way out of my league. I troubleshoot electrical, but once we're talking opening up high amp panels, stand aside for the electrician. I'm not fooling with it. I'm aware of multi disciplines in a periphery way as most accustomed to working in a large organization.
The nature of the problem you're grappling is interdisciplinary, and so, even a specialist proficient in radio frequencies cannot answer all once technology leapfrogs over itself or does a hybrid morph into another animal altogether. Ex. Soft science of psychology has a primary mission of good intentions, but when mixed with theology or marketing becomes a beast we called 3rd reich. One of the criticisms greg threw out there didn't take into account that if a high end structural engineer were attending this thread, he'd point out that vibration tests are part of his trade over issues identical to this. That's why I posited the question about that particular frequencies effect on industrial grade construction techniques for nuke plants.
Final disclaimer- this conversation cannot help but be artless grasping for lowest common denominators of understanding & flawed metaphors but I intend to stick with it. I hope you do too, and I hope I can help arrive at truth.
I accept that too, so long as we keep ourselves in the business of sorting truth from lies/ misconceptions. Forcing 1 + 0 to be 2 is non productive. 1 + x = 2 means we need to focus harder on gathering material evidence for x or return to the drawing board with more hypothesis. Open to other ideas. Full disclosure of my own prejudice- Ockham's razor is most often correct.
Good grief lady, who are you? Are you a scientist, philosopher or psychologist, cause I can't comprehend what you are saying. Which is fine.....I guess I'm just not smart enough to speak your language. Just wanted you to know, it's over my head. I must be the 3rd grader.
Maybe I'm out of my league here.
As far as the HAARP Induction Magnetometer data in Alaska ... from what I read these systems are connected together via sat communications. So sharing or combining resources from systems not colocated is probably possible...
Not knowing the seemingly picayune details of this induction magnetometer leaves me guessing if it represents 2 data sets laying over one another. The HAARP Induction Magnetometer
Essentially, this is supposed to be a measure of a HAARP units output by proxy, but can it parse out ambient sources? I'm thinking not. This same data could be registering the noise of the earthquake in the process of occurring, but inaudible to human ears. The only instruments set up to measure earthquakes, to my layman understanding, are seismographs. Does it flitch at all from the same frequencies applied to it? I'd bet not or half of Alaska would be having a heart attack seeing their instrumentation go haywire. I suspect this is a situation like asking your ears what they see and act annoyed they can't vocalize.
One way to test this theory of mine out is to have induction magnetometer instruments set up alongside seismograph sites and see if it's the precursor similarly the way a NOAHH buoy registers a tsunami running silently at sea. Hard as this is for most to believe, ships in that tsunami zone have little indication that anything is afoul because that kinetic energy doesn't express itself in obvious ways until it reaches a surfline. A ships barometric readings may change. Their GPS might act screwy because the calibrations are presuming a height off of a known baseline sea level that just changed dramatically and navigators are more prone to believe electronic glitch is afoot and a helmsman is being sloppy correcting for set and drift. Like a fly traveling at 60 mph in your car, scuba divers don't sense a current pulling them a mile from their anchored vessel.
Is it possible something that silent and deadly can get by people undetected? Absolutely. Radon has killed many miners, and Joe public persists thinking it's (black lung) coal dust doing it. "Wasting disease" is now cancer, and radon causes cancer. Mercury exposure isn't kind either.
The article suggests the 2.5Hz ULF broadcast could have been generated from the floating Sea-Based X-Band Radar platform...
The HAARP system creates a plasma reflector in the atmosphere that is used to reflect and focus RF energy back down to earth. The source could be a long distance away from the final destination or target.
Lumped these together to draw lines. I'm going to try to speak in a way Claud can understand. Lets operate under the presumption that HAARP is guilty of 'shooting' Japan. For HAARP to be guilty it has to have the ability to direct a beam to a precise location. The source origin is Alaska, and the radio beams leave Alaska from an upward facing net grid in buckshot form, not like a laser beam taking up a narrow focused concentration, and also not like the multi directional nature of a BLEVE (boiling liquids expanding vapor explosion). Although it's not solid matter, lets use the simile of buckshot to describe it's directional pattern.
The diagram in this article seems accurate, although what that side beaming thing is about becomes something else. Google Image Result for http://www.boingboing.net/filesroot/200804251231.jpg
Anyhow, as these grid radio beams hit the ionosphere like a broad side of a barn, the electrical charge of this layer is manipulated resulting in heating. In other diagrams I've seen out there but cannot retrieve presently, it illustrates the beams going straight up, then straight back down in the same buckshot type pattern. These return signals are what I am guessing the scientists in Alaska are measuring, similarly the way radar pings work to provide a picture of distant objects. Up to this point, nothing seems so outrageous save for the fact we may potentially harm the earths atmospheric 'skin' so-to-speak, and in and of itself should cause sane people to be concerned. But specifically shooting Japan, rather than shooting the entire planet in it's own head, is not possible up to this point.
This does not in any way mean I agree with Glitch. He appears to be lulled into a false sense of security. This HAARP unit in Alaska is grossly overbuilt. Why? That reason appears to have everything to do with Mr Eastlund's patents. They've superficially denied using them, but their feet speak otherwise building up to specs to facilitate Eastlund's path that could at any time be implemented under the pretense of 'national security'. This is a metaphoric match standing too close to gasoline. The war on regulation only exacerbates common sense. Knee jerk banning matches/ ban gas is not the point. The absence of ethics & imperviousness to consequence is.
Damn Don9, that's some pretty damning evidence. I was rolling my eyes when I clicked on this link, thinking "Ok, I'll bite. What now?" but my smirk disappeared when I saw those satellite images!
Good grief lady, who are you? Are you a scientist, philosopher or psychologist, cause I can't comprehend what you are saying. Which is fine.....I guess I'm just not smart enough to speak your language. Just wanted you to know, it's over my head. I must be the 3rd grader.
Maybe I'm out of my league here.
You're free to solve your own problems of confusion and garner immediate gratification in one fell swoop by putting me on ignore. Or find patience.
Fact: We are too far away to deliver cheap, easy, or simple answers today.
Fact: The desire for cheap, easy, and simple answers created the problems. I strongly disbelieve more hair of that dog can solve it.
I found this article on viewzone comprehensive and in laymans terms, rather easy to understand. I hope you all will review it, I think it answers some of your questions on how they could focus the energy and wave lengths are explained. He also goes into the various Eastland patents, and their applications. This is not the first time I've read that HAARP may not be in Gakuna at all, but is more likely located in Poker Flats Alaska. The photos we view may be photoshopped.
He summarizes this article with the following;
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In the future, Dr. Eastlund's technologies will change our planet. Electrical energy will be available everywhere, without the need for transmission lines. Disasters from severe thunderstorms and tornadoes will be minimized, climates will be made milder, and food production will be enhanced by illuminated skies and ample rainfall. Global communication will be inexpensive. Critical ozone will be replenished. And, most importantly, nuclear weapons will have been made obsolete by the abilities to detect and destroy enemy installations. Terrorism will also be made much more difficult. In short, Eastlund's discoveries provide inexpensive energy and an end to draught and hunger-- the major causes of human violence.
But these humane applications are still in the future. Eastlund's patents remain under the control of the military industrial complex. We are more likely to see an instantaneous "death ray," or mass "mind control" mechanisms, before Eastlund's discoveries make the planet a better place to live.
Again, the plasma mirror is used to direct and focus the RF energy and they can change direction, intensity, frequency and mode at will. The sea based system is equipped with phased array tracking antenna's to compensate for wave movement ... just like the sat dish's on boats.
Hand in the air, this is where you lost me. Plasma to me is a component of blood. The 4th state of matter reference isn't anything I've consciously seen, felt, or kept in my fridge, although I worry about what mysterious things grow in there plenty.
I read the wiki article about plasma and the closest comprehension tangible to me is neon signs. Electrified gas that can emanate light (not sound) in a diffuse way. The plasma mirror-- as if this were a perfectly flat semi- solid creation 40 miles in the air? I'm having a huge disconnect happening here and hope you could invest the time to clarify better if you understand.
If a plasma mirror is created by radio waves, how would sending more radio waves accomplish anything more than what the original radio waves did (heated ionosphere & concentrations of electrons)? How does this neon light transform BACK to sound waves concentrated in a single bullet type fashion aim ITSELF directly at Japan? How this sea based unit fits into the equation is vague at best.
I googled plasma mirror and could find no scientific research based papers. Only pages upon pages of conspiracy theorist statements seemingly repeating each others echo chamber that do not even attempt to explain logically how this works. Someone said it, it became gospel, and others adding 500 layers of embellishment on top of that one thing said is what I'm coming across.
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The HAARP system in Japan is located at 34°51'15.66"N 136° 6'24.49"E
These coordinates left me in the middle of a country road surrounded by forest on either side. 34°51'15.66"N 136° 6'24.49"E - Google Maps
Unknown what source you used, but what about that location have you been able to verify with boots on the ground? Anonymous has a problem with googles willingness to aid governmental reindeer games. Any chance google has the ability to redirect an inquiry into a dead letter office? Likely they do. I think that's part of the grievance anonymous has. But that doesn't make a Japan HAARP site any more real than it just was on my screen. I'll need more evidence.
In that youtube video pages ago that boasted the abundance of HAARP facilities all over the globe- one I know first hand to be false. The one referenced on long island NY is called Brookhaven National Lab. They have limited nuclear capacity that has at times been used in aeronautic type research (wanning for decades), but predominantly is used for medical research. There is no HAARP array there. They do not have observatory capacity. The population density & sound/ light pollution of the metro region precludes it. There is no antenna or dish. Used to have a mad scientist friend that worked there that I wish I could invite to this thread, but unfortunately he passed away 2 yrs ago.
Long Islanders in general- NIMBY since the Shoreham nuke debacle they're still paying off. Tolerance is near zero, and at times in negative digits. BNL has nearly been shut down by public outcry on a few historic occasions and that ice remains exceptionally thin for anyone thinking to tempt fate among the locals. NYS has a corporate death penalty for a reason. I cannot imagine a more impractical, politically hostile place to install a multi million $ project requiring experimental forbearance to operate than Suffolk county Long Island.
Liability alone is too great to risk when huge parcels of cheap uninhabited land can be found in thousands of rural locations across America and across the globe. Right there in Congress this past year or so the rep from South Carolina bent over, showed his baboon rump, and welcomed any and all spent nuclear material to be disposed of in the hills of SC (for a fee of course). Why on earth would anyone bother to expend energy pushing a river when other politicians are actively pimping the arses of their own constituents for global market, and the constituents are applauding?
Don't be so quick to characterize motives here. People who superficially appear apathetic often times aren't. For some it is resignation to failure & despair. Others it's a lack of meaningful direction or diminished capacity to discern. Others still it's a response of frustration and an army of one boycott in and off itself. Particularly among the religious who do not aspire for dominion over others & attempt to be more conscientious about where their energy is directed. At the family table the middle child strikes me most masterful dealing with the extremes of eldest and youngest dramas. Being eldest I've come to appreciate that about them. Amish are an example of wholesale rejection of materialist values who put the rest of the country on 'ignore'. It's not that they don't care, but that dialog is near impossible when values are so disparate. There is no conflict with them & what calls itself "American values" because they do not aspire for dominion as the 2 party system has animated itself.
Gen X is not the apathetic creature media has convinced themselves. They just go about things differently. Being shot at by both sides & transcending it with forgiveness (but not forgetting) tends to yield a more reticent, aware of evil but resist partaking demeanor. If staring a mad man in unbroken trance is going to yield getting sucked into a vortex, the tar baby robbing them of simple joys of life, they'll sensibly reject it as a rudimentary form of self defense. Therein lies the folk wisdom reminding brainiacs not to have their head in the clouds so high they can't see their own feet. Intelligenzia often talks itself into jail with a high rate of recidivism. I chuckle hard at atheists angry with 'primitive' religious never realizing it's a mutual service to keep each other honest. We can all do better.
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To put it in more simple terms, I think the squabbling and labels of conspiracy turn people off to knowledge that isn't fed to them on the evening news. If it's not on CNN or FOX it can't be true. People don't want to believe that those that wield power over us, could possibly have ill intent, or if they do, it's not me, so why should I care. Curiosity and the quest for knowledge should be promoted and embraced, instead of ridiculed. This is about uncovering ability's of our technology that we are not privy to. Don didn't have to present this material, knowing he would make himself a target. I applaud his courage.
I have never had any interest in space exploration, or scientific technology to this extent. It is developing and I wish others would quit shutting the door for me. I'll shut the door when I'm good n ready. Meanwhile, I am interested in what don is presenting. It's a fascinating subject, and hope others can contribute to exposing gov't secrets.
Look up Black Budget Programs, there is so much going on that we have no awareness of, yet we are paying the tab.
Why do people not question when real questions with answers are justified? Are they inherently apathetic, complacent, lazy or are there more sinister forces at play? I guess this is one of the great mysteries of mankind. I can't figure it out but it does boggle the mind. I have always been one to question. I have always wanted to understand how things work. From the time I was kid I would disassemble broken motors and electrical devices to get answers, understand how they work and to try and fix them. I got results from an early age so maybe that's why I have a drive to continue. I feel anything is possible. Nothing is final. Never close a door.
I agree that people take their favorite media outlet as gospel. They seem to be incapable of seeing the bias or the misinformation. People seem to get locked in and to a belief and will aggressively defend it even when credible information tell them otherwise. Were we always this way or is this getting worse?
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Why do people not question when real questions with answers are justified? Are they inherently apathetic, complacent, lazy or are there more sinister forces at play? I guess this is one of the great mysteries of mankind. I can't figure it out but it does boggle the mind. I have always been one to question. I have always wanted to understand how things work. From the time I was kid I would disassemble broken motors and electrical devices to get answers, understand how they work and to try and fix them. I got results from an early age so maybe that's why I have a drive to continue. I feel anything is possible. Nothing is final. Never close a door.
100% agreed. I too was raised to question. I was raised to be accountable for myself, but others were raised to be predators. What era in history has the human species not had an evil twin undermining those with no aspirations of world dominion?
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I agree that people take their favorite media outlet as gospel. They seem to be incapable of seeing the bias or the misinformation. People seem to get locked in and to a belief and will aggressively defend it even when credible information tell them otherwise. Were we always this way or is this getting worse?
To continue on and simultaneously answer your question...
MIC CHECK REALITY CHECK (long view)
Why am I beating on this horse so hard? Because the reality of the internet, TV, text books, etc etc has so very little semblance to ACTUAL (physical) reality in this era much as older folks think they broke free of illusions in the 50's. Psychologically & intellectually people seem to be convincing themselves their very life is a SIM game, and that strikes me as a very dangerous cult like mentality to be living out. People spend $$$ buying cyber cows to augment their cyber farm??? They'd rather live in a SIM game where nothing can hurt them & the reset button is eternal??? Emotional cowardice ought to have a safe haven? At what point do boys playing war games exercises (political or online) realize they've gone too far? I recall teens years ago playing dungeons and dragons to the point where they were terrorizing their school. The ghosts some punch at are actual people. These folks worry me. (Cyber) space junkies strung out in heavens high disconnected from their bodies. The Matrix had more than one meaning too many haven't caught onto.
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Don't confuse the publicly reported HAARP research program (DAPRA) with the fully operational systems all over the USA and the world. These systems are not all identical and are not called HAARP. You would not believe how many exist today. They operate with gigawatts of power.
What criteria did they use to determine all these HAARP stations exist? The potential capacity of power generation to support a HAARP unit? Any chance paranoia wrote the criteria? They didn't respect our intelligence enough to divulge it up front. Oversight or deliberate? The quality of our (general public) information sources is very much in question.
You didn't author these things and neither did I but if false accusations are leveled at what amounts to be a speedway in Brazil, the confusion is not originating from the government or the apathetic public, but by those leaping to wild conclusions making false proclamations. This is how HAARP investigations get discredited from within their own ranks via the chicken little routine. The journalistic embellishments are their doom. People like you and I need to find the way to clean this up.
Video below- Is this HAARP? Looks to be Aussieland. How could anyone sort photo shopped from non photo shopped? Computer animation is sophisticated enough for Stephen Spielberg to create a universe. Sound waves appear as an explosion of yellow, orange and red light from satlite but not for those on the ground living it out??? What nifty apps have been devised that now allow the general public to wag the dog just like the government pro's?
I'm going to treat this as if it were art and critique it. I feel in myself a strong emotional response to this image. As if the clouds are cringing from a knife the way human flesh would. I feel my feminine instinct to heal wounds being appealed to, which in case you didn't know, is a preferred bait of manipulators targeting women. I'm frankly annoyed by the pandering of an environmentalist, and I'm a supporter of environmental causes. Mission accomplished by a smarmy non environmentalist? Or mission not accomplished by a smarmy environmentalist? Either way it's smarmy.
Selling something on emotional response alone works for bubble gum sales, but used exclusively for something as serious as this topic void logic/ reason is a means of desensitizing people and relegate the subject wholesale to tin foil hattery as backlash. The representation system of our very language has become a misrepresentation system. We're conditioned to sell things to one another incessantly to the point that everyone is deaf by smarm. This is the problem with commercialized academia, commercialized faux journalism, commercialized religion ad nauseam. Truth is the first thing sacrificed when the terms and conditions of communication require emotional validation of listeners & exploitation of insecurities is the prime motivator.
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Here is a very good link with lots of information. There are two HAARP pages (HAARP and HAARP II). The HAARP II has a download for GoogleEarth which is really cool. Check it out. A Cloud of Witnesses
FYI This website is unavailable to those with older machines. If they sincerely mean to get their message out they can't allow bells and whistles to obstruct the message. Perhaps you could relay that to them?
Speaking of old and generalized messages for the masses-- my grandmother pushing 100 grew up in a world without a radio, phone, television, or a car. A man on the moon blew her socks off. I tried to teach her how to use a computer and she was terrified of catching the aids virus. A computer in her eyes is met with the same fear her elders had of a television- someone stole the souls of humans, shrank them down and keep them in a box life fireflies. A computer is a black hole. A vortex of death and confusion disconnecting her from her God given senses. Easy enough for people to mock her inability to keep up with the speed of civilization, but I would hope it would give you pause to consider how incompatible technology is becoming relative to the human minds ability to cope with it.
In retrospect were their concerns entirely unfounded? Is a television 'the devils work' seducing people to be idle? When your kids start resembling veal? When socially human beings are conditioned to aspire to be a machine, were ludites entirely wrong? Were industrialists entirely right?
I don't think it's inconceivable that this thing could cause an earthquake.
This website did a good job of simplifying things and a poor job of illustrating how these things operate. That animated illustration claiming thousands of antena pointing in unison at a single point in the sky with 'pencil beams' contradicts all other sources of information I've come across.
It did a good job of digging up congressional records, following SOME of the money trail, but what physical evidence did they present to support whatever is going on in Poker flats AK? Is this going to be the next area 51 people obsess on for decades but never get answers about? Looks that way. How many red herrings to wade through before the majority decide it's all one monotonous garden path they're being led down?
I agree it could cause an earthquake. I disagree that sufficient evidence has been gathered to support all the allegations made or that Dan Eden comprehends how this technology works. If Bigjon wanted to paint me out as an enemy of the state for posting in this blog, he knows how to find a sound track superimposed over my movements to characterize my actions.
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They'd rather live in a SIM game where nothing can hurt them & the reset button is eternal??? Emotional cowardice ought to have a safe haven? At what point do boys playing war games exercises (political or online) realize they've gone too far? I recall teens years ago playing dungeons and dragons to the point where they were terrorizing their school. The ghosts some punch at are actual people. These folks worry me. (Cyber) space junkies strung out in heavens high disconnected from their bodies. The Matrix had more than one meaning too many haven't caught onto.
What nifty apps have been devised that now allow the general public to wag the dog just like the government pro's?
