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Anyway, I think the evidence is far from clear on what has caused what. i don't think earthquakes are completely out of the question, but its really hard to believe.
Talk about a Nice Try. That is an irrelevant analogy.
Sorry, your mini earthquake BS was just that. Inducing small quakes isn't going to reduce larger quakes.
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In 1962, the military started pumping chemical waste into a disposal well drilled two miles underground. The injection of fluids then triggered an astounding 1,500 earthquakes between 1962 and 1967.
After the military stopped injecting waste due to protests, three earthquakes greater than 5 on the Richter scale rocked Denver area, resulting in more than $8-million worth of property damage. Scientists later blamed the earthquakes on fluid injection that unbalanced an existing fault or fracture.
And, we have known this for a long time:
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The Arkansas Geological Survey later discovered that whenever companies increased the volume of fracking waste water being injected at high pressures into the ground near a fault line, the severity and intensity of earthquakes dramatically increased. One hit a magnitude of 4.7.
Finally, you might wants investigate the focus depth of these quakes, the well depth and the focus depth of unrelated quakes. I suspect you'll find the foundation analogy is appropriate. Breaking up the Rick just a ways below our feet doesn't seem wise. Turning the rock back into smaller pieces is not going to be good long term.
Funny part is the oil and gas industry know fracking caused quakes for at least 50 years. This con job has been brewing for a while.
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Back in the 60's, a study was presented in the Journal of Geophysical Research (Volume 86, Issue B2, p. 903-920) by Hsieh & Bredehoeft that made an extremely close correlation between injection of fluids into bedrock and subsequent earthquakes. The role of fluid dynamics in fault movement has been studied many times, but this study was the first to make a direct link.
Their conclusions are limited, and their claim for effects is very close to the injection well bore site. Nevertheless, it's a fascinating study. But anyone who claims that you can shoot fluids down a hole and not have any effect on the surrounding rock is, at the very least, a fool, a liar, or being paid a lot of money to be a fool or a liar.
I don't know if you call an earthquake that was "felt" in Youngstown a quake "in" Youngstown, but Eastern Ohio was never quiet.
That's just it. I don't consider Eastern Ohio to be "in" Youngstown. 9 of the 11 earthquakes last year, that we're discussing in this thread, were within the city limits of Youngstown, on the NW side. The other two were just west of the city, in the adjacent suburb. The Ohio Seismic Network: Earthquake Information
In summary, there were 11 earthquakes last year, in an area that has never been the center of an earthquake before, (in recorded history) all clustered around--and no more than 5 miles away from--the injection well in question. 2+2=4, as far as I'm concerned.
That's just it. I don't consider Eastern Ohio to be "in" Youngstown. 9 of the 11 earthquakes last year, that we're discussing in this thread, were within the city limits of Youngstown, on the NW side. The other two were just west of the city, in the adjacent suburb. The Ohio Seismic Network: Earthquake Information
In summary, there were 11 earthquakes last year, in an area that has never been the center of an earthquake before, (in recorded history) all clustered around--and no more than 5 miles away from--the injection well in question. 2+2=4, as far as I'm concerned.
Are you also figuring magnetic polar shift into that equation? There was a major shift last year. When it comes to earthquakes, shift happens.
It is now official that fracking is to blame for the eleven earthquakes in Ohio. This will be a growing problem as fracking is done all over the country in an attempt to be energy independent.
I think alternative renewable energy should be our first choice. Other countries are way ahead of us in this area.
State Representative Robert Hagan has . . . called for a statewide moratorium on injection drilling until 2014. The Youngstown City Council voted Wednesday to support his proposal.
'I'm tired of these discussions happening in secret,' Mr Hagan said.
I think alternative renewable energy should be our first choice.
No, our first choice should be conservation.
Our second choice should also be conservation.
Renewables are a distant third.
Figuring out how to use less is a "source" that is immediately available.
The only way to do that is to raise the price. All other methods have failed. When the price
rose in the 1970's into the 80's consumption declined. When the price rose in 2008 - same thing.
All fuels should have a small increase in tax every month - month-after-month - until US net
imports go to zero. I don't care how hard it is for people to afford to fill up their vehicles and
to commute to work. If you can't afford it, move closer to work and drive a smaller vehicle.
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Sorry, your mini earthquake BS was just that. Inducing small quakes isn't going to reduce larger quakes.
You don't know and I don't know. I never claimed that I do know, but you keep claiming that you do.
Asserting that something is true as hard as you can doesn't make it true.
You are making things up. You are also making baseless accusations.
You do not know one way or another if "inducing small quakes isn't going to reduce larger quakes.."
That is a made-up claim and you do not know.
I hope you whine and complain about the price of gasoline.
I hope it makes you miserable to pay the evil oil companies for their product.
I also don't care if fracking causes earthquakes or not.
Figuring out how to use less is a "source" that is immediately available.
The only way to do that is to raise the price. All other methods have failed. When the price
rose in the 1970's into the 80's consumption declined. When the price rose in 2008 - same thing.
All fuels should have a small increase in tax every month - month-after-month - until US net
imports go to zero. I don't care how hard it is for people to afford to fill up their vehicles and
to commute to work. If you can't afford it, move closer to work and drive a smaller vehicle.
You don't know and I don't know. I never claimed that I do know, but you keep claiming that you do.
Asserting that something is true as hard as you can doesn't make it true.
You are making things up. You are also making baseless accusations.
You do not know one way or another if "inducing small quakes isn't going to reduce larger quakes.."
That is a made-up claim and you do not know.
I hope you whine and complain about the price of gasoline.
I hope it makes you miserable to pay the evil oil companies for their product.
I also don't care if fracking causes earthquakes or not.
Your, probably industry's, small quakes are good BS, is BS. Breaking up a horizontal vein of coal or shale a thousand feet below our feet is not going to relieve stresses in rock five or more miles below the surface. Busting up your cinder block foundation will have the same impact on naturally occurring quakes. ZERO.
One difference between these injection/fracking quakes and the typical quake is the focus depth. This mini quakes are good for us is industry BS, invented to cover the greater damage they know they're creating.
Creating new man made fault lines in the rock below our Freetown isn't too wise. Would you advise them to frack beneath the tall buildings in Cleveland? Pittsburgh? How about Manhattan? Explain why.
You are still making things up. It's also not necessary to quote my entire post
directly beneath the post you are responding to. Can't you even pick the right button?
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Would you advise them to frack beneath the tall buildings in Cleveland? Pittsburgh? How about Manhattan?
Irrelevant. You are grasping at straws. I can't imagine why someone would even bring this up.
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Explain why.
Explain why? What for? You are the one who brought it up.
I said I didn't know. Why do you keep harping? You don't know either, but you speak with authority as if you do.
Explain why.
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