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All I can say is read what West said..........end of story.
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”
While I agree pissing on a some dead corpses is hardly the worst we have to worry about in a time of war, even comparing our behavior to Somali and Taliban fighters is ridiculous. So just as long as we behave just slightly better than they do we are somehow better than they are? Just as long as we urinate on their corpses but don't drag them through the streets and behead them we are are slightly better than they are? Again grow up! American used to be exceptional because of our belief in justice, humanity, liberty, etc. and while we haven't always acted in those interests it's ok nowadays to throw in the towel and say oh well atleast we aren't beheading our enemy and burning their dead bodies in the streets. REALLY? Have we sunk so low as a population that we don't have an ounce of respectable ideology left in us? And we wonder why our country is in the dishonorable mess and shambles it is in. Look around you, look at some of these posts, look at the talking heads in media. I'm glad we atleast have a leadership as much as I despise them that have come out publicly and criticized this behavior. Maybe there is some hope left.
"Outrage over the U.S. Marines video of soldiers desecrating the bodies of dead Afghans has been further stirred by the controversial words of Tea Party leader Pamela Geller: "I don't care," she wrote recently."
A lot of Marines and soldiers on the front lines are nothing but gangsters with a rifle. Sad but very true nowdays considering the recruiting standards of the US military. The more professional and highly trained SOF, SEALs, Delta etc. would never be caught doing crap like this least of all being caught videotaping it like a college fraternity.
America is supposed to judge itself on its OWN merits. How low do we stoop when we start comparing ourselves to f'ing Taliban? So what if it's war? That's what soldiers are trained for. That's why we have the most sophisticated training, equipment, and soldiers in the world. They are doing a job and have been trained and are expected to do it professionally. So you're going to degrade all Marines and soldiers by saying it's war that's how they are supposed to act and do act? You've just insulted a HUGE amount of soldiers who have more class, more guts, and more professionalism than you could ever muster. That is NOT the behavior of an American soldier no matter how bloody, evil, and vile war is. That is the behavior of a bunch of spineless cowards that have lost all hope in this war and probably never had a reason to believe in it to begin with. It's time we bring the troops home for the good of the country.
We are supposed to be better than the enemies we fight. Not to mention it's AGAINST INTERNATIONAL LAW i.e. The GENEVA CONVENTION! Grow up!
Geneva convention:
In diplomacy, the term convention does not have its common meaning as an assembly of people. Rather, it is used in diplomacy to mean an international agreement, or treaty. The first three Geneva Conventions were revised and expanded in 1949, and the fourth was added at that time.
First Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick in Armed Forces in the Field, 1864
Second Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea, 1906
The whole set is referred to as the "Geneva Conventions of 1949" or simply the "Geneva Convention".
These guys were dead nothing in the convention was violated since none of them were wounded or sick. Had they been wounded instead of dead pissing on them might have violated Geneva one
Two they were not wounded from a ship wreck
Geneva two was not violated
They were not POWs ,POWs need to be alive
They were not Civilians
Pissing does not violate the Geneva convention.
Is it a good thing at formal dinner party , probably not, Sometimes what happens in war is not pretty or nice.
Our guys were alive the enemy was dead the taliban does not practice the Geneva convention .
Is one American 5 year old worth 1000 Taliban 5 year olds? In the grand scheme of life and on one measly rock surrounded by millions of other planets you're really not that special. Life evolve and march on LONG after you and everyone else has killed themselves off including the Taliban.. If there is a god he probably cares as much about "Americans" as he does about anyone else on this planet. [MOD CUT]
Last edited by Ibginnie; 01-14-2012 at 01:33 PM..
Reason: rude
If you are urinating on the enemies body you have won that battle.
I imagine that in a battle with Adrenalin running for you survive or they survive that things might happen due to the rush that you survived that might not be acceptable at formal cocktail parties
You may have won that battle, but a more intelligent person would recognize that you're making your long-term mission harder for yourself. This is not an all-out war, and victory here cannot be feasibly achieved by killing every single living thing between Iran and Pakistan. We're trying to partner with the Afghan people in rooting out terrorists and establishing a more stable ecosystem aligned with Western interests (already a tall order, if not impossible); therefore, they are not ALL the "enemy." When actions like this become public (and they inevitably do), then those Afghans from highest to lowest levels of authority whose partnership we would really benefit from become opposed to US forces and make their lives harder - no cooperation, more opposition, etc. The end result is that US forces have a worse time achieving their objectives and are there much longer against much greater odd, with much higher numbers of casualties. The John Wayne approach to foreign policy and conflict is not always the best one.
Get it now? No, you probably don't. And neither does that knuckle-dragging Geller.
You may have won that battle, but a more intelligent person would recognize that you're making your long-term mission harder for yourself. This is not an all-out war, and victory here cannot be feasibly achieved by killing every single living thing between Iran and Pakistan. We're trying to partner with the Afghan people in rooting out terrorists and establishing a more stable ecosystem aligned with Western interests (already a tall order, if not impossible); therefore, they are not ALL the "enemy." When actions like this become public (and they inevitably do), then those Afghans who we would really benefit from in partnership become opposed to US forces and make their lives harder - no cooperation, more opposition, etc. The end result is that US forces have a worse time achieving their objectives and are there much longer against much greater odd, with much higher numbers of casualties.
Get it now? No, you probably don't. People whose concept of foreign policy only extends so far as an old John Wayne movie should be excused from serious discussion.
LMAO! Post of the year really! Awesome well worded! If only the actual braindead average grunt on the frontlines understood that. That's part of the problem hence my post about US recruiting standards. Some of the worst this nation has ever seen. Known gangmembers, high school drop outs, people that can't even pass a drug test. ALL can and do make it into the military.
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