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Old 01-23-2012, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Santa Ana, CA
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Yes, homosexuality is immoral behavior.

"Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? No, they were not all ashamed, neither were they embarrassed, therefore they will fall among them that fall: at the time that I vist them they will be cast down, saith the Lord."
give me a break, spare me the bible-thumping
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:59 AM
 
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give me a break, spare me the bible-thumping
Consider yourself "thumped".
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Old 01-23-2012, 01:14 AM
 
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Gallup has produced a report on this subject. The most divisive issue in America as of last May is doctor-assisted suicided. Abortion comes in second.

But pornography and gay relationships produce the biggest generational gaps.

Doctor-Assisted Suicide Is Moral Issue Dividing Americans Most

Interesting: Democrats are generally accepting of controversial issues; Republicans are generally not.
I find it ironic that pornography viewing is deemed immoral by most people, and yet I doubt there is anyone out there who hasn't watched it, and the highest viewing areas are in the Bible belt.
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Old 01-23-2012, 01:16 AM
 
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Maybe there is just more passion and emotion tied to the gay rights issue. That is evidenced here as its impossible to have a discussion on it without it turning into a name-calling hate fest. There are few if any other issues you can say that about.
Well that's understandable isn't it? Being called a child molesting pervert who should be thrown in an incinerator just because you can't control the fact that you fall in love with other men would make anyone a bit defensive don't you think?
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Old 01-23-2012, 01:43 AM
 
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Is gay rights the biggest social issue in our country since abolition of slavery?

Only to the gay community it is, to normal people gay rights is about as important as the push to give animals the same rights as human beings...
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Old 01-23-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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The end of Jim Crow, which was after the abolition of slavery, was far more controversial.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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Equal rights for gays is inevitable, no matter how much people want to sit in front of their black and white TV watching Ricky and Lucy and longing for the "good old days"
Ricky and Lucy?! You mean that nice protestant white woman who married outside of her ethnicity, to a Cuban (well, we can all at least thank the Lord he was a WHITE Cuban) Catholic?!

That was just the start of the Hollywood liberal machine. Acceptance of inter-religious marriage led to inter-ethnic marriage in Ricky + Lucy led to inter-racial marriage, the gays, and soon, man-shovel marriages.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:41 AM
 
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Is gay rights the biggest social issue in our country since abolition of slavery?

Only to the gay community it is, to normal people gay rights is about as important as the push to give animals the same rights as human beings...

Sure, if your definition of "normal people" includes willfully ignorant troglodytes, religious whackjobs and knuckledraggers in flyover states, then yes, it's not an issue for "normal people" unless they're doing everything in their power to thwart gay rights. If it's "not an issue" for you, then step aside.


And look folks, you don't want to give gay people full rights deserved under the law, due to their being legal, tax paying citizens, then their oughtta be a tax break for gay people. No taxation without equality should replace no taxation without representation.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Is gay rights the biggest social issue in our country since abolition of slavery?

Only to the gay community it is, to normal people gay rights is about as important as the push to give animals the same rights as human beings...

Nope, I'm "normal" and I can't think of one valid legal reason to deny gays the same ability to legally marry that heteros have.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:46 AM
 
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This is the defining social issue of our time. Liberals and conservatives are becoming ever-more polarized and hateful towards each other on this issue. Take gay rights out of the picture and many people on both sides would switch parties based on their other convictions. There are grassroots conservative groups that want to secede from the Union if gay marriage were to be legalized, and liberal groups that want to do the same if a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage were to ever be passed. Religion, whether or not believed in, was largely looked upon as a positive thing in the past but today religious people are becoming increasingly marginalized because of opposition to homosexuality. Like it or not, this is the issue that dominates our politics and is likely to get much uglier before it gets better.
The answer to your thread header- no. Blaming liberals for polarizing when the conservative mind is hijacked by evil feeds evil well. Announcing your "rights" in America as an entitlement to annhilate another of my countrymen negates their "rights" entirely. Far as I'm concerened they've abdicated their citizenship and ought to be deported to Afghanistan where their lifestyle choice is mainstream. If eye for an eye tribalism is all they want to know, I say mete it out to those pushing for the policy surely as waterboarding the former cabinet would be the justice system they served to corrupt.

The reason I said no to thread header is this; our constitution is still not fully realized. Gay rights is one aspect of the larger problem since the slow realization of slavery opened they eyes of the masses in painful ways. ERA is another. A system that serves only one half of the species is doomed to failure and perpetual strife. That estrangement from national unity is insanely profitable for malevolence, and simultaneously corrosive to the roots of our nation & the legitimacy of all known religions who've endorsed these estrangements. We're dancing around the issues all too often stuck in BS zero sum game gibberish.

If I could stand in front of our presidents desk in this moment, I'd chastize him for not doing a full court press confronting the sibling rivalry mentalities overriding the greater good of the nation. He'll do it to his own party privately, but not the rest. Take off the gloves, Obama.
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