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He made 46 calls in 8 years. That's less than 6 calls a year.
And they went to a non-emergency number.
Are you sure? I was a crime victim and, although this was many years ago, I once used the non-emergency number when I needed to contact the detective handling my case, and there was no record of it. When I downloaded the .pdf file from the Sanford Police web site, I was under the impression that all of the calls were to 911 Emergency.
I don't know if it's been 8 years, but I agree the media have certainly exaggerated this point. However, keep in mind that (a) Retreat @Twin Lakes did not have a Neighborhood Watch until late in 2011 and, therefore, he was not acting as a neighborhood watch volunteer. Just FYI. I'm not sure if all those calls were for that community. I'm quite sure he was not living in Sanford in 2005 when he was arrested and most of those townhomes weren't built until 2007.
I'm sure Phil306 will start to scream that none of this matters, which is true. Past obsessive behavior can't be presented in most court cases, but it still shows a person who spent a lot of his life chasing bad guys. I'm surprised a police officer would defend a wannabe cop. Even the coordinator for the Sanford Police Dept who trained the Neighborhood Watch group said that suspects should never be pursued and that it is a violation of the rules to carry a weapon because that's what paid professionals do. That's why it is called a "watch."
just a side note: I feel badly for the people who live there. With all this negative publicity about how crime-ridden the place is, nobody will ever be able to sell and the housing market is already in the toilet.
Are you sure? I was a crime victim and, although this was many years ago, I once used the non-emergency number, and there was no record of it. When I downloaded the .pdf file from the Sanford Police web site, I was under the impression that all of the calls were to 911 Emergency.
I don't know if it's been 8 years, but I agree the media have certainly exaggerated this point. However, keep in mind that (a) Retreat @Twin Lakes did not have a Neighborhood Watch until late in 2011 and, therefore, he was not acting as a neighborhood watch volunteer. Just FYI. I'm not sure if all those calls were for that community. I'm quite sure he was not living in Sanford in 2005 when he was arrested and most of those townhomes weren't built until 2007.
I'm sure Phil306 will start to scream that none of this matters, which is true. Past obsessive behavior can't be presented in most court cases, but it still shows a person who spent a lot of his life chasing bad guys. I'm surprised a police officer would defend a wannabe cop. Even the coordinator for the Sanford Police Dept who trained the Neighborhood Watch group said that suspects should never be pursued and that it violation of the rules to carry a weapon because that's what paid professionals do. That's why it is called a "watch."
just a side note: I feel badly for the people who live there. With all this negative publicity about how crime-ridden the place is, nobody will ever be able to sell and the housing market is already in the toilet.
No. I don't scream. The criminal justice system says his prior anything doesn't count. Just like a rapist, who has been convicted 5 times for rape, his prior convictions cannot be used against him in court. Those are the facts of life and the facts of our criminal justice system.
I could care less about Zimmermans prior criminal record. Moreover, I could care less about Martin's prior criminal record, etc. None of its material to me.
Who did what, when, where, why is important to me. And, when you take your personal emotions/feelings out of it, YOU, nor anyone can, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove anything.
Keep banging the drums. You will continue to bang the drums of the loser...
Try and read what's Phil has written from an unemotional point of view.
Thank you. I think Zimmerman is scum. I don't defend him in anyway. I believe he is the cause of all this. Doesn't change the "facts."
The criminal justice system and the law is just that. The law. Until I see and/or hear more, the law in this case was not broken. When someone, anyone, presents FACTS and/or evidence, Zimmerman was wrong, I say hang the jerk. No problem with it.
At the sometime, if you want it this way, you have to have it the other. No one has proved Zimmerman committed murder.
It will be interesting to see what the investagations brings.I agree with much of the post that the Media and these civil rights folks (Sharpton and J Jackson) ave pretty much sentenced Mr. Zimmerman.
Personally I expect more from these folks, since they are for the common man.
The reality is the State of florida wants to build a solid case and not botch this up like the Casey anthney Trail. Let's see what happens.
I mentioned this before, but only after Wolfinger resigned from the case and the Federal investigation began. Unless everything I've learned is totally false, this case wasn't going anywhere because of "Stand-Your-Ground." Now that the law is being reviewed and, even Bush who signed the bill questions the validity of that defense in this case, there's at least the possibility that justice will be served.
I am also upset about all the tweets and the death threats. I want Zimmerman to get a fair trial too. But I do question how a man in Lakeland who killed his wife's pet rabbit got 2 years in prison, but a man who shoots a teenager in Sanford isn't charged.
There have been discussions on local TV about the CSI Syndrome, where jurors need to see absolute proof of guilt in order to convict. Casey Anthony didn't report her child missing for 31 days and lied to the police, but she is a free woman. Yet most jurors said they seriously doubted she was innocent. The law should always be fair & just, but if prosecutors are so afraid of spending the time & money for a trial that they choose not to try cases, then the public safety is at risk. I've read that the Anthony trial was so expensive and put such a negative light on the prosecution, that now the State Attorney's Office wants to be sure a case will be won before it even goes to trial. Of course no prosecutor ever wants to try an unwinnable case, but how far will this go?
When the Castle Law went into effect, I didn't have a problem with it, but people here keep using it synonymously with Stand-Your-Ground. Castle Laws are to protect you in places like your own home, your place of business and your car. The Florida law allows you to use use deadly force without attempting to retreat in any location as long as you fear imminent danger. That's the problem. Some people are paranoid and might feel threatened by people who wear silly hats.
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No. I don't scream. The criminal justice system says his prior anything doesn't count. Just like a rapist, who has been convicted 5 times for rape, his prior convictions cannot be used against him in court. Those are the facts of life and the facts of our criminal justice system.
I could care less about Zimmermans prior criminal record. Moreover, I could care less about Martin's prior criminal record, etc. None of its material to me.
Who did what, when, where, why is important to me. And, when you take your personal emotions/feelings out of it, YOU, nor anyone can, beyond a reasonable doubt, prove anything.
Keep banging the drums. You will continue to bang the drums of the loser...
Have you read several of my posts or just the ones you want to pick apart? I have continuously pointed out that nothing I write or anyone writes on this internet forum matters if this case goes to trial. That's why it's called a discussion forum. however, when people stop the exchange of ideas, then we will all be mental clones. I enjoy debating, except when someone becomes combative and insulting.
You keep commenting as if we have no right to question our justice system, but that is our right. It is also our right to peacefully protest when we feel the law is unjust. I seriously doubt if George Zimmerman ever thought about "Stand-Your-Ground" when he followed Trayvon Martin that night, and it probably won't be used in his defense. However, it certainly has gotten the wheels turning and maybe they won't grind as slowly. There have been too many gun related deaths in our state and we need to do something about it. People always say "guns don't kill people, people kill people" but maybe some laws kill people too.
Nope California is not a stand your ground state. It doesn't limit your ability to defend yourself. Its a simple codified law of "the facts determine" deadly force. Not your stupid assigned personal feelings to what occurred. There is NO duty to retreat in California. None. Therefore, Zimmerman's actions would be legal under my states laws.
Now, if you want to attack me, sure go ahead. I stand by each every statement I have ever made on this website.
By the way, who is Rush Limbaugh?
How can something be determined "legal" before it has been properly assessed? And you have the audacity to accuse others of being stupid? In California as long as you claim that it was self defense, you are given a lollipop and sent home? Yeah, I'm sure that's the way it is.
The parents knew he was missing the first night when he didn't come home and filed a missing person's report. [snip].
The missing person report wasn't filed until the morning After tm was killed. His father wasn't worried the night of the killing bacause he thought t might have gone to a movie with his cousin.
He was wearing a red jacket and had received first aid by the time he appeared in that very poor quality video. How do you know there wasn't blood on him? Also an eyewitness has reported seeing that Martin was on top of Zimmerman. Martin could have easily jerked away when he was shot and bleed out on the grass, with very little getting on Zimmerman.
Correction. His jacket was red and WHITE.
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