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Old 04-18-2012, 01:34 AM
 
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First, I can actually write coherent sentences. First, I don't start every second sentence with and. First, I know when to use how vs what. First, I don't have people coming into threads that I start asking if this is satire. First, I don't repeat multiple points as my first or second point. First, I don't make statements about grade school and end them with a question mark.

Until you learn to write better, you shouldn't suggest that others go to grade school. I did rather well there and one of us went to college.

You're free to live in many rural locations and commute to whatever city you want. Go live where the housing is cheap and stop whining. The people who are paying more for where they live are already disagreeing with you.

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This is satire right?
Sadly, no.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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In the Minneapolis area, Minneapolis proper has led all municipalities in development for the last five years. Nearly all of it has been dense, multi-unit midrises built in the old urban form. Why has this happened? Because it is what people want. Minneapolis has the second lowest apartment vacancy rate in the country while demand for houses in the exurbs has fallen off the cliff. Developers are responding to demand, the free market is driving this.

A lot of people like cities, especially the younger generations. Sorry if you don't.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:39 AM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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First, I can actually write coherent sentences. First, I don't start every second sentence with and. First, I know when to use how vs what. First, I don't have people coming into threads that I start asking if this is satire. First, I don't repeat multiple points as my first or second point. First, I don't make statements about grade school and end them with a question mark.

Until you learn to write better, you shouldn't suggest that others go to grade school. I did rather well there and one of us went to college.

You're free to live in many rural locations and commute to whatever city you want. Go live where the housing is cheap and stop whining. The people who are paying more for where they live are already disagreeing with you.



Sadly, no.
Ok, that was funny as hell, I don't care who you are. Can't rep ya for it though, have to spread it around first.
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Old 04-18-2012, 02:17 AM
 
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Look at the Bay Area. And what's happened there. There are desirable places in California where people want to live, but can't because all the new development is in downtown or urban areas.

We need to stop building inward and built outward. Too many people are trying to stop growth in California. Too many taxes and regulations on housing developers and businesses to build.

There is a local suburban development having a hard time in my area because they gave them hell about protecting local hills.

And yes, I'm a city boy and I like the city, I just don't like downtown growth. Orange County - that's how new developments should look like.
While I would agree with you in regards to your views on taxes and regulations, urban development is the result of demand and the free market. By the way, I'm from Orange County... I know first hand that suburban sprawl doesn't work.
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Old 04-18-2012, 03:22 AM
 
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It's a free market. It will adjust. Want a big house on open land? Go buy some.

I want a small house on a small piece of land.

OOPS! Sale prohibited by government.

Not a free market after all.
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Old 04-18-2012, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Normal
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I think city planners and liberals, especially here in California, are pushing to stick people in dense housing developments or multi-residential units in urban areas.

First, I hope liberals realize those projects are extremely costly for someone to live there and second not everyone wants to live in an urban environment. Telling people to not use cars is just not going to happen. Most of this nation is built around roadways and suburbanization. If people liked it back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, early 2000s, and it still works for people then great!

Secondly, liberals always blame the rich and corporations for getting tax breaks. A democrat's definition of "rich" is way different than mine. If one person makes $100,000+ you are considered upper middle class and rich in my books. And not all corporations are evil. Given some are, but not all.

Anyways back to the main point. Too many liberal cities and towns are becoming too costly to live in. Colleges+lots hiking+lack of affordable housing=a place only meant for rich and liberals.

I would rather take a brand new sprawled out development with homes at affordable cost. I want a nice big beautiful house to have bbqs and my own space! God Bless the American dream!

This environment damage information - no one cares. I am a Bible believer, and this Earth is going up in flames one day. So until then I'm going to live in a suburban, cheap home close to affordable and accessible big box centers and malls and large churches. Yes that's right! I said it! Get over it! I can't stand downtown shopping if there is a parking cost involved. And I am also not interested in the beauty of downtown developments or the liberal belief that cookie cutter homes are ugly. Because I think hills covered in homes are beautiful. It's peaceful and the sound of the freeway is relaxing!

Lastly, if tearing out nature for a new tax-generating business park or college or some sort of business comes up, please take your "save the environment" elsewhere. Europe perhaps?

In the mean time, please keep our liberal cities seperate from our conservative cities. Thanks!
Yeah, those Liberals! Just look at them in their small houses on small lots in Orange County and elsewhere!
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Old 04-18-2012, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I suggest to the OP that if he wants suburban housing he look at Las Vegas, Nevada. IIRC they have a huge surplus of McMansions and Mini McMansions that have never been occupied. The OP is just not looking far enough to obtain his dream. If he is just complaining that he cannot afford to live in the same neighborhood he grew up in, well, welcome to the real world. Neither can most of the rest of us.

BTW - Urbanism is neither Liberal or Conservative. It is real estate.
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:28 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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There is plenty of sprawl and suburban development, but the lack of new housing and infill developments and making suburban areas denser is raising prices for housing.
Maybe it's expensive because many people actually like it and there is not enough of it
Nor is it a new idea, just yesterday I was using Google Street View, there are beautiful, rather dense, yet old neighborhoods in St. Louis and elsewhere.
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Old 04-18-2012, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Maybe it's expensive because many people actually like it and there is not enough of it
Nor is it a new idea, just yesterday I was using Google Street View, there are beautiful, rather dense, yet old neighborhoods in St. Louis and elsewhere.
Perfect example.
Many of the old neighborhoods in STL have been rehabbed, or are in the process of.
I've been doing quite a bit of design work there, the old homes are a joy to work with.
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Old 04-18-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: WA
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