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Old 05-01-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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I think city planners and liberals, especially here in California, are pushing to stick people in dense housing developments or multi-residential units in urban areas.

First, I hope liberals realize those projects are extremely costly for someone to live there and second not everyone wants to live in an urban environment. Telling people to not use cars is just not going to happen. Most of this nation is built around roadways and suburbanization. If people liked it back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, early 2000s, and it still works for people then great!

Secondly, liberals always blame the rich and corporations for getting tax breaks. A democrat's definition of "rich" is way different than mine. If one person makes $100,000+ you are considered upper middle class and rich in my books. And not all corporations are evil. Given some are, but not all.

Anyways back to the main point. Too many liberal cities and towns are becoming too costly to live in. Colleges+lots hiking+lack of affordable housing=a place only meant for rich and liberals.

I would rather take a brand new sprawled out development with homes at affordable cost. I want a nice big beautiful house to have bbqs and my own space! God Bless the American dream!

This environment damage information - no one cares. I am a Bible believer, and this Earth is going up in flames one day. So until then I'm going to live in a suburban, cheap home close to affordable and accessible big box centers and malls and large churches. Yes that's right! I said it! Get over it! I can't stand downtown shopping if there is a parking cost involved. And I am also not interested in the beauty of downtown developments or the liberal belief that cookie cutter homes are ugly. Because I think hills covered in homes are beautiful. It's peaceful and the sound of the freeway is relaxing!

Lastly, if tearing out nature for a new tax-generating business park or college or some sort of business comes up, please take your "save the environment" elsewhere. Europe perhaps?

In the mean time, please keep our liberal cities seperate from our conservative cities. Thanks!
Then don't live in an urban setting. (shrugs shoulders)

I mean, what do you want us to tell you?
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Old 05-01-2012, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Northern Colorado
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I am generally conservative but this is one of the things I think liberals are mostly right about. I am SICK SICK SICK of having very few or no alternatives to a car oriented suburban lifestyle. I am not knocking suburbs per se. But why is it that EVERY large metro area in America offers decent suburban lifestyle options, but only a few overpriced cities offer decent urban living options. It's ridiculous. I thought America was supposed to be about choice!
Blame the liberal system. The overpriced cities in America (many of them very liberal) are the ones with colleges, alternative methods of transportation, new urbanism developments, and great public schools. The liberals overprice these cities, so that poor and middle class people can't live there. Only the upper class and upper middle class.
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Old 05-01-2012, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Blame the liberal system. The overpriced cities in America (many of them very liberal) are the ones with colleges, alternative methods of transportation, new urbanism developments, and great public schools. The liberals overprice these cities, so that poor and middle class people can't live there. Only the upper class and upper middle class.
How do they do that?

In reality, IMO, they are more expensive because the demand to live there is high.
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Old 05-01-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Folks who used to live in LA or any other urban environment who chose to move to the suburbs for substantially better schools and a nicer lifestyle did so of their own free will.

SOME people will choose to live in those lofts and condos in DT LA, Pasadena & elsewhere; that's their choice.

The land and zoning restrictions installed by the politicians which are among the top reasons why housing out here is substantially more expensive than elsewhere; the dirt out here is far more expensive than in most other major US cities, and the same goes for our sky-high prices for groceries, gasoline, and too many other things to mention.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Folks who used to live in LA or any other urban environment who chose to move to the suburbs for substantially better schools and a nicer lifestyle did so of their own free will.

SOME people will choose to live in those lofts and condos in DT LA, Pasadena & elsewhere; that's their choice.

The land and zoning restrictions installed by the politicians which are among the top reasons why housing out here is substantially more expensive than elsewhere; the dirt out here is far more expensive than in most other major US cities, and the same goes for our sky-high prices for groceries, gasoline, and too many other things to mention.
Not sure if you're responding to me.

That may be why it's more expensive to live in California, but doesn't provide an alternate explanation of why cities are more expensive than suburbs.
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Jacksonville/Afghanistan
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I, for one, would prefer my house to be built using substandard materials and to be an exact replica of every other home in my subdivision.
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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I suggest to the OP that if he wants suburban housing he look at Las Vegas, Nevada. IIRC they have a huge surplus of McMansions and Mini McMansions that have never been occupied. The OP is just not looking far enough to obtain his dream. If he is just complaining that he cannot afford to live in the same neighborhood he grew up in, well, welcome to the real world. Neither can most of the rest of us.

BTW - Urbanism is neither Liberal or Conservative. It is real estate.
what the hell are McMansions?
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Old 05-02-2012, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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McMansion is a generic and sarcastic term for a quickly and sometimes improperly built 3,000+ sq ft house with many bedrooms, a rec room, a family room a huge kitchen with high end appliances and granite counter tops. These homes are examples of surface glitz instead of excellent construction and location that characterizes real mansions.

Many of these were build in new subdivisions around Las Vegas, NV during the late ‘80s and into the early 2000’s to take advantage of the rampant speculation in housing created by very low margins and interest rates. These were not really meant to be used as houses with people, kids and pets actually living there. There are hundreds that have never been occupied in the LV area as the collapse happened so quickly a lot of builders still had projects under construction when the prices collapsed.

Thus, I suggest the OP look in that area for his mansion in a suburban paradise at a price he can afford.
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:00 AM
 
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It's really not a great practice to start a sentence with and. You also listed second, about 5 times. You might want to be less worried about housing and more about grammar.

Your posts is also filled with a bunch of random thoughts that have nothing to do with the topic. What does the environmental impact of starting a college, be it rural, urban or in between, have to do with the 'new urbanism'?

To your point, don't like urban housing developments? Don't buy one. Why are you whining about them? People probably make cars, food, art, clothes, etc, that you don't like. Should we start hearing about that all in another post tomorrow?

You noted that, "I think city planners and liberals, especially here in California, are pushing to stick people in dense housing developments or multi-residential units in urban areas." Where's your proof of this? Are you telling me that there's no sprawl in California? I've driven all over the state. I mean all over it. There's a ton of sprawl. Your post seems to accuse city planners of preventing this.

Good for you, you want to live in suburbia. There's a ton of that in California. While you're sitting in your car, I'll be actually BBQing and while you're wasting time on your lawn on the weekend I'll be getting drunk with some human scenery around me.

I get it, your emotions tell you that you're conservative and you want to write something to make yourself feel better and whine about liberals. Perhaps you can have some coherent point to your writing in the future.
Leave it to a liberal to attack a person based on grammar. That just shows how weak you are.

Now...as for liberals? I think the point in the OP is clear....liberals suck. I don't think we need any further proof of that than to look at the current state of affairs in this country. This is a result of 4 consecutive years of LIBERAL RULE...where the left wingers had control of congress.

Now you can argue all you want...and I expect the predictable BS that 'WELL WE WERE LEFT A MESS BY BUSH...AND....AND.....WE HAD TO BLOW UP THE BUDGET TO MAKE IT ALL RIGHT' ....

The facts are far different, but this is the message that you twits have been ordered to pass along whenever you get into a situation where you cannot explain away the incompetence and total failure of the liberal ideiology.

The final 2 years of Bush and the first 2 years of obama ....the congress was under complete and total control of the left. And during those 4 years is when the bulk of the RAMPANT, IRRESPONSIBLE spending and debtr increases occurred. Flat out truth.

This person is right...the liberal plan for urban renewal sucks....just as most of the liberal plans suck. This country is mired in a never ending recession because of liberal control and a total disregard for responsible governence.

Go ahead and correct my grammar now...because you sure as hell can't correct the FACTS.

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Old 05-02-2012, 07:10 AM
 
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I very much a liberal, but in this case, i can't side with them on this issue. There two types of people who annoy me, parents who believe you shouldn't spank your kid, and urbanites. I just moved the suburbs and I love. This urbanism crap is just pathetic.
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