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No, it's not a cop out. How can you have an intelligent conversation with LARGE pieces of the puzzle missing? If you had read the links you would have seen percentages regarding wrongful convictions due to eye witness testimony. You have basically a stacked deck arguing from what has been released at this point.
So I take it you have nothing, thanks for trying though. Anyone else?
Yes and I maintain that belief. Lawyers do not have a monopoly on interpreting the law correctly. Any intelligent person can do it, give it a try sometimes. Frankly with all of the sub par law schools and reduction of standards many lawyers aren't that good anyway.
Well, alrighty then. No point in discussing this with someone who thinks so highly of himself.
So I take it you have nothing, thanks for trying though. Anyone else?
As I said, no reason to try to have a discussion with someone who is so closed. Arrogance is not lacking in your posts. Seems you are fearful of trying to argue without having a stacked deck in your favor.
So your argument is pretty damn stupid. Because it was a matter of defending himself from an attack.
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Originally Posted by Redshadowz
I highly doubt anyone with a few working brain cells is going to try to argue that self-defense violates due process.
I quoted a few of the lines from this post, just in case anyone wonders why I am not responding to it. I only participate in discussions that are polite, respectful and civil.
Apparently a person does not have the right to privacy or quiet enjoyment in this country. According to those who believe you can be followed in the dark, confronted and shot if you defend yourself, taking a walk and minding your own business is not a right.
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Reason: fix typo "taking a walk" not "talking a walk"
The facts have NOT changed. Zimmerman still shot Trayvon. Trayvon is still dead. We do not know who started the altercation. Some things have come out, e.g. Zimmerman's arrest record and history of violence; Trayvon's suspensions from school, all of which were for non-violent offenses.
When the first pictures were released, I personally thought Trayvon looked young for 17. Turns out those were old pictures. Zimmerman looked like an obese man. Turned out that was an old picture.
Lots of speculation. Zimmerman was/wasn't acting in neighborhood watch capacity. Trayvon was/wasn't on top. Etc.
The facts are the same as they were when this shooting first made national attention.
I wish I could rep you, but I can't, so I'll respond to your comment. Yes, you've got it, Katiana. That's it in a nutshell, as the saying goes.
Of course, Zimmerman's first attorney had this to say about the above:
"I think it was dark, and I don't think she's sure what she saw," Sonner said.
So when testimony is unfavorable to GZ, it's doubtful, but when it is unfavorable to Trayvon, it's the Gospel truth.
FYI conflicting witnesses help Zimmerman the burden is on the state to prove he committed 2nd degree murdere. At any rate the Fox News article has this:
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In reference to the size difference between 28-year-old Zimmerman and Martin, the witness described the fight as being between a "larger man" and a "boy." While the witness said he was not able to see who was on top of the other as the two scuffled, he said "there wasn't a lot of movement" immediately before he heard a gunshot.
So you want us to take the statements of a witness who admittedly wasn't able to see who was on top versus one who clearly saw who was on top.
You still haven't addressed the witness John's statements directly. Statements coming right after the incident not a month later when the motivations of witnesses may not be as pure.
FYI conflicting witnesses help Zimmerman the burden is on the state to prove he committed 2nd degree murdere. At any rate the Fox News article has this:
So you want us to take the statements of a witness who admittedly wasn't able to see who was on top versus one who clearly saw who was on top.
You still haven't addressed the witness John's statements directly. Statements coming right after the incident not a month later when the motivations of witnesses may not be as pure.
I"m sorry, Edward, but you cannot compel me to address anything, much as you would like to. I've addressed "John" before, in a number of threads. I don't feel like going back and researching John, what he said, etc.
Frankly, I think an attorney could rip up any of those witnesses. I doubt the 13 year old's mother will let him testify. My opinions about these witnesses.
FYI conflicting witnesses help Zimmerman the burden is on the state to prove he committed 2nd degree murdere. At any rate the Fox News article has this:
So you want us to take the statements of a witness who admittedly wasn't able to see who was on top versus one who clearly saw who was on top.
You still haven't addressed the witness John's statements directly. Statements coming right after the incident not a month later when the motivations of witnesses may not be as pure.
AND the burden is on Zimmerman to prove he acted in self defense.
Edward, do you know what an affirmative defense is and what it entails? Have you looked at the elements of 2nd degree murder in order to know what the state has to prove? What's going on with that ability to read the law and understand it as well or better than some attorneys?
Can you explain in detail how conflicting witnesses help Zimmerman, rather than cancelling each other out?
So you are basing your entire "case" (opinion) actually on ONE WITNESS. IMO that's a very simplistic view and one consistent with someone who has absolutely no experience in and little knowledge of how cases are litigated in the real world. If you are ever in a position of having legal troubles, you should definitely hire a lawyer to help you.
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thanks for those links.