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It's true. The bible supports the position that polygamy is a normal lifestyle.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
If you are going to cite the Bible - you should read the entire volume instead of cherrypicking certain verses. You would then understand that the Bible in no way supports your position that homosexuality is a normal lifestyle.
Why do you assume that the bullies were evil persons?
The original word in that verse doesn't really refer to "evil". More like a bad or very difficult person.
Why do you assume a bully does not fit that description? They are bullying kids because of who they are, and making their lives miserable and driving them to suicide. That sounds evil to me. It most certainly sounds bad.
The original word in that verse doesn't really refer to "evil". More like a bad or very difficult person.
Why do you assume a bully does not fit that description? They are bullying kids because of who they are, and making their lives miserable and driving them to suicide. That sounds evil to me. It most certainly sounds bad.
Why don't you give a definition of "evil" then? Sorry, but I never thought of the bullies who picked on me as evil - just as misguided punks who needed a good punch in the jaw, which I gave them. Perhaps they changed their life around, and are leading a productive life now, instead of languishing in prison.
Civil marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with religion or religious marriages. Requiring a government bureaucrat to sign off on legal paperwork is in no way an infringement on religious freedom or liberty.
Judaism requires me to give up my life before signing a "marriage" document for 2 men.
so yes it violates my religion and many others.
your telling religious people what does and what doesn't violate their religion is sounding awfully close to the Soviets.
would you also ship me off to a gulag for not following your "interpretation" of Judaism.
Defend your position, then - using the Bible as a source.
Sure, if you can explain to me the point? I've been arguing with people like you for at least 10 years. I've discussed the famed "clobber" passages probably a 1000 times at least. After the arduous task of typing up long explanations regarding culture, context, language, Jewish law, etc. the typical rebuttal from people like you is, "Nuh uh, God hates gays!"
Why on Earth should I continue to waste my time entertaining the ignorance of people like you who are incapable of admitting you might be wrong?
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And please cite an example of where I have ever used any Bible verse "out of context"?
The better question, is when have you used a Bible verse IN context? I guess you also are under the mistaken impression the Bible was written in English.
If you read the bible then you would know that God does indeed hold people (and Nations) accountable.
So what? So does the Koran. So does a couple of dozen other so-called "holy" books. We don't legislate based upon them, and laws that have been found to exist for purely religious reasons, with no secular justification have been, and should be, struck down as unconstitutional.
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The gay marriage issue is not a civil rights issue! Marriage is by definition a union between 1 man + 1 woman.
It is defined as such because that is how we legislated it. Legislation can, and constantly is changed and updated. Sometimes it's even deleted. WE decide what marriage is.
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Even now, gay marriage is banned in 31 states. So, a gay couple can be married in 1 state, and not be recognized in another.
I don't know why that hasn't created a constitutional situation, with the whole "full faith and credit" clause thing.
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They are never going to get everyone to accept them or their lifestyle.
They said the same thing about interracial marriage 40 years ago. They were wrong then, you are wrong now, as history will show. It's no longer a question of "if" only "when, and how".
Why don't you give a definition of "evil" then? Sorry, but I never thought of the bullies who picked on me as evil - just as misguided punks who needed a good punch in the jaw, which I gave them. Perhaps they changed their life around, and are leading a productive life now, instead of languishing in prison.
Do you really think Jesus made such a semantically minor quibble in that verse? His intent was to promote non-violence for people who attack you. I seriously doubt he was referring to Hitler level evil.
In the context of who Jesus' enemies are, we could say the religious extremists or Romans were the "evil" Jesus referred to turning the other cheek on. Yet I would hardly consider them truly evil. Bad and misguided, sure. Evil? Not really.
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