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Old 05-28-2012, 09:42 AM
 
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They put on a uniform, they pick up a gun, and put themselves in harm's way. That makes them heroes.
Are all military servicemen heroes, or just US servicemen?
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:43 AM
 
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So, apparently you didn't read what Hayes said. What are you doing commenting when you don't know what you are commenting about?
I absolutely read it. Did you?
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Are all military servicemen heroes, or just US servicemen?
To the people they serve, yes.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:44 AM
 
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ANY fallen soldier who defended our nation is a hero.
Period. End of discussion. Leave your opinion out of it.
The people that cause war and depend on it for their financial orgasm's are creating dupes, not heroes.

That said, the spirit of those that have been sold a lie, remains honorable.

The acts of selflessness in the midst of the corrupted warmongers, are heroic.

I think we could utilize these heroes in more positive way. There is no shortage of problems in the world that can be overcome. Without the need to provoke sovereign nations in order to exploit their resources and control how they buy and sell their goods.

All modern wars are over economic domination, for a handful of world Oligarch's.

Sadly they use our best and finest to do their bidding under the disguise of keeping the US safe.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:46 AM
 
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To the people they serve, yes.
So hero is a very relative term.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Why should it be talked about. Do you really believe that calling fallen soldiers heroes is a call for more war? That's absurd!
I think that there is something to that, yes.
I think that it is a means of denying the waste of their sacrifice.

If we make them all heroes, then there is something noble about the enterprise, even when we know, for example, that there wasn't anything noble about invading a country that had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in this country on 9/11.

If we make them all heroes then we can avoid trying to get answers to the hard questions or do the hard work required for real diplomacy.

If we make them all heroes, we can justify the obscene expense of maintaining the military complex while advocating for cutting off food aid to their children.

And, we can continue to use them as chess pieces in our misguided attempts to police the world.
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I absolutely read it. Did you?
No, you didn't.

"I feel uncomfortable about the word because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war"
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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The war veterans that I know personally (mostly from the Vietnam War), do not want to talk about their service and they're uncomfortable when people refer to them as "heroes". I believe the word is fitting, but the word has become a trite cliche, overused and abused. (especially in political circles)

Hayes should've NEVER went down that road...
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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The war veterans that I know personally (mostly from the Vietnam War), do not want to talk about their service and they're uncomfortable when people refer to them as "heroes". I believe the word is fitting, but the word has become a trite cliche, overused and abused. (especially in political circles)

Hayes should've NEVER went down that road...
Why?
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Old 05-28-2012, 09:53 AM
 
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No, you didn't.

"I feel uncomfortable about the word because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war"
Reading comprehension is not a skill many rightwingers seem to possess.

There is a big difference saying that using the word "hero" is part of a rhetoric used to justify more war versus saying that calling the war dead "heroes" is a call for more war.

Do you not see the difference?
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