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Old 06-19-2012, 10:38 AM
 
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Unless the partisanship is trying to unstabilize the country, why make up crap about someone? If your ideas are so much better, let them stand on their own merits, right?
In an ideal world, yes.

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No, if you don't have good ideas to float, then you use lies that support racial stereotypes to draw attention away from you. That means you're either a master manipulator, or you are a racist. At least your using racisim as a weapon.
But even not using "racial stereotypes" can still lead one to be called a "racist". Its politics, pure and simple. There are always those voices out there who make sweeping generalizations about Republicans, saying they just don't want "a black man as president". No, the charge of racism is often used, and often misapplied.

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Disagreeing with his policies doesn't make you a racist, its when someone makes crap up that simply isn't true, then they are probably a racist to some degree.
Or it could be partisanship. Do you think that Bush or Clinton didn't have "crap made up" about them during their terms in office?
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Which of my remarks in that post had anything to do with Obama's race? I did ask about a black man disagreeing with his policies but didn't say anything about his race. You are just in that good old left mode of operation and read words with it.
I was not speaking of You specifically, my comment applies to all people that want to disagree with President Obama and not be labeled as a racist. Clear up your confusion?
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:43 AM
 
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I was not speaking of You specifically, my comment applies to all people that want to disagree with President Obama and not be labeled as a racist. Clear up your confusion?

Yet the charge of racism is still applied to those who simply disagree with Obama policy. I don't know how anyone who has been paying attention for the last 3 1/2 years could deny this.

Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one's opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness. - Mary Frances Berry

The charge is thrown about to silence opposition. Pretty egregious when you think about it, because it trivializes real racism. In a just world, the phony charge of "racism" would be treated with the same disdain as genuine racism. As it is, its just a political tool.
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Yet the charge of racism is still applied to those who simply disagree with Obama policy.
Do you believe that nobody opposes Obama simply or primarily out racism?
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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Do you believe that nobody opposes Obama simply or primarily out racism?
Of course not. Do you believe that nobody ever uses the race charge for purely political reasons?

Tainting the tea party movement with the charge of racism is proving to be an effective strategy for Democrats. There is no evidence that tea party adherents are any more racist than other Republicans, and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging their ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help Democrats win in November. Having one's opponent rebut charges of racism is far better than discussing joblessness. - Mary Frances Berry
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Old 06-19-2012, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Of course not.
Then why do you take a position that is the mirror opposite of the one you are apparently so upset about?

The simple truth is that some certain percentage of the opposition to Obama is racist. Is it a lot? Is it just a little? At that point you're getting into very subjective territory... angels dancing on the head of a pin territory.

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Do you believe that nobody ever uses the race charge for purely political reasons?
Of course. So what? How is that charge any different from the hand waving that it is only a "card" being played? Does that render every (most? many? any?) charge of racism illegitimate? Seriously, how does one even begin to parse racial politics from any other form of politics? How is calling a conservative "racist" any different from calling a liberal "socialist?" If you figure that trick out, you could probably hit the big time as a political consultant.

The race card is played so often regarding this president because as in no other president in history there actually is a racially charged context responsible for some significant portion of the political debate. To pretend otherwise is absurd, and to whine about it either naive or disingenuous.

I have personally attended tea parties. I do not need Mary Frances Berry to tell me whether or not there is a racist strain associated with them. I have read the signs, listened to the rhetoric, and noted the demographic. The tactic of labeling them as racist is not merely "pure politics." Such charges do not resonate in a vacuum.
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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You know what I would like- Is a new form of racism.....so I could become a full blown racist. Firstly I would like to designate all of those who scream racism constantly and those always playing the race card...as a new and separate RACE...then I would like to hate them to bits till someone dragged me in front of some sort of human rights tribunal and convicted me as being a huma-phobe. Now what if I decided to HATE the hell out of the whole HUMAN race? I mean everybody- would that be a hate crime? Or is it only a hate crime if I hate small pocket of humanity that have similar attributes?


As I grow into more of a miserable curmudgeon...I might just take this way of thinking up and start a new movement with a membership of one.....ME.....Now if the whole world hated me the singular guy for being a racist - would that make all of humanity racist? Or would I have to declare my self a special interest individual .....could I be declared a race--just me...?


Now the above is nonsensical musing with a bit of rambling tossed in for good measure...I hate all of you...- or in the alternative I love all of you- one way or another people are not going to like me- and I don't care.
It sounds similar to your previous post. So my point stands.
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Montgomery Village
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Crawl into the deepest recesses of Obama's mind and look into that the darkest corner. Ask this question- if this man has a desire and a dream that all white people cease to exist- would he be pleased with that scenario? I would say from what I sense the answer would be yes....ask also would it please him if all Christians stopped existing and America as we know it disappeared off the face of the earth- would he also like that idea...? Some little voice in me says that he harbors all these mentioned secret hopes deep in his mind- Evidently he as done nothing to sustain the nation and keep it strong- so what is his real motivation- what is the sub-text here?
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Old 06-19-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Disagreeing with his policies doesn't make you a racist, its when someone makes crap up that simply isn't true, then they are probably a racist to some degree.
were those who 'made up crap that simply wasn't true' about clinton or bush also 'racist'?

why or why not?
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Old 06-19-2012, 02:34 PM
 
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Oh good, so now we're making judgments based on some imaginary game you want to get us to play?
You said no evidence would be forthcoming yet you haven't touched post #46 with a ten-foot pole.
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