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Not just America... the whole world is teetering on collapse - morally, socially as well as economically, etc.
When injustice, evil and perversion are allow to run amok, the end of the era is near.
The big question should be... what happens after the collapse... what is the replacement ??
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Meh....Nobody is really collapsing. Some countries are in decline (like this country) but they won't collapse.
Nothing to do with injustice, perversion and evil. This country is just in an natural readjustment period. We will lose some clout, other countries will win some clout. Actually an readjustment that is due for decades. We are 5 % of the worlds population, yet we use 25 % of the world's resources. Our lifestyle is not sustainable.
Theres simply no necessity, esp with communication advance.
Control...there must be control at the deepest level for engineering the future.
Its never too late, this must be done for progress.
Also...
Due to the devastation of work done by 4-5 generations for...us guys...basically N/A continent
requires swift action
States and Canada should have or still can bite the bullet and unite on one united momentum...one currency
esp when the dollars are very even at this time.....The Euro idea picked things up when that took place because the idea itself of unification
is a momentum toward hope....foreign investment jumps...
Also...things involving a dignity in life should be front and center. As it is...once the boomers are finished with the party
Miami ...the south fun belt...over on the other side as well will be no more then the old Plymouth plant in Detroit....NO?
What is the compelling reason it will not..? plus...LV isn't looking too good...the money is backing out everywhere and going to foreign investing....Even Romney and his crowd hording for bad times to protect their little inside crowd...both pres candidates are a disgusting example of fear and dumbness.
Unity is everything and both promote disharmony and cannot see it for the insecure nature within their beings which overrides justice for all...for...individual acceptance.....neither is a true leader. Thats another reason why the texture and tone of society and translation is what it is
People want to visit..? Too bad ...nothin but jumbos coming in with grandma birthday party plans only.....with a Cesna going back once a week.
time to have the party somewhere else. Lock it up...All N/A
The boomers want to party in dubai......TOUGH...go private or forget it
Man the border with the people not working
there....see how easy it is to create jobs...?
plans need foundation....first, theres no foundation
No Money...? Oh really
what about the 20 billion for miami and the 13 trillion off shore dollars....where did it come from in the first place?
Last edited by stargazzer; 07-16-2012 at 12:00 PM..
Meh....Nobody is really collapsing. Some countries are in decline (like this country) but they won't collapse.
Nothing to do with injustice, perversion and evil. This country is just in an natural readjustment period. We will lose some clout, other countries will win some clout. Actually an readjustment that is due for decades. We are 5 % of the worlds population, yet we use 25 % of the world's resources. Our lifestyle is not sustainable.
No man-made system lasts forever.
History is cyclic... creation, growth, maintenance, decline and death... then a new creation.
Morals and culture [which affect all other aspects of society] are in decline everywhere on the planet.
Social degeneracy and disintegration begin slowly at first, then the end process speeds up until systems start to collapse.
We are now in the decline and death stage.
There will be no reprieve.
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Last edited by king's highway; 07-16-2012 at 12:02 PM..
Dunia duara...
What starts must end, what ends then starts.
Four or eight, it's kinda too late. Get at me 'for you cain't.
In the meantime, solidify and allign, it'll slow the degression from progression, though in succession, it'll end up in recession, and from that, accession.
If Obama is reelected we will go into a massive economic depression.
and you arrive at this conclusion how, exactly? To ask it another way, what policies do you envision of Obama's that would result in a depression?
It reminds me of 2006, when I attended a Congressional debate and one of the right-wing wingnuts yelled out, "if the Democrats take the House, we are going to be hit by terrorists again!" Did it happen? No.
Let's take a step back and look at the last few years. Bush was President for eight years and main policies were lowering income taxes and fostering deregulation. In the eighth year, the U.S. lost 6% in GDP and economic conditions were in free-fall.
Obama took office in 2009 and initiated classic economic policies to combat a slump -- fiscal expansion and the Fed initiated monetary expansion. At the same time, Europe initiated austerity -- cutting back government spending.
We now have two opposite views to review and what do we find? The American plan is causing the economy to recover (but slowly) while the Europeans have essentially no growth.
Regarding policy, Obama is a mild expansionist and the GOP advocates the same austerity policies of Europe -- massive cutbacks in government spending. Even Romney admits that such spending cuts would bring on a depression, as he said: "Well because, if you take a trillion dollars for instance, out of the first year of the federal budget, that would shrink GDP over 5%. That is by definition throwing us into recession or depression."
So again, how will an Obama re-election cause a depression?
and you arrive at this conclusion how, exactly? To ask it another way, what policies do you envision of Obama's that would result in a depression?
It reminds me of 2006, when I attended a Congressional debate and one of the right-wing wingnuts yelled out, "if the Democrats take the House, we are going to be hit by terrorists again!" Did it happen? No.
Let's take a step back and look at the last few years. Bush was President for eight years and main policies were lowering income taxes and fostering deregulation. In the eighth year, the U.S. lost 6% in GDP and economic conditions were in free-fall.
Obama took office in 2009 and initiated classic economic policies to combat a slump -- fiscal expansion and the Fed initiated monetary expansion. At the same time, Europe initiated austerity -- cutting back government spending.
We now have two opposite views to review and what do we find? The American plan is causing the economy to recover (but slowly) while the Europeans have essentially no growth.
Regarding policy, Obama is a mild expansionist and the GOP advocates the same austerity policies of Europe -- massive cutbacks in government spending. Even Romney admits that such spending cuts would bring on a depression, as he said: "Well because, if you take a trillion dollars for instance, out of the first year of the federal budget, that would shrink GDP over 5%. That is by definition throwing us into recession or depression."
So again, how will an Obama re-election cause a depression?
You woefully mis-calculate the machinations of those with the power to run corporations, governments and socio-economic systems. Could a Clinton do horrible things to lay the framework of a Bush? Not in your mind, as Us versus Them is the dope you and so many others have been hooked on. Look closer as to the entire gamut and see what has been run up. Maybe -R & -D, Inc. might be less obfuscating,...maybe. Do you think a politician with financial ties to those in power will not play out the perquisite drama that a distracted people want to experience? What are all these 8-year cycles there for then?
Only a die-hard romantic would view American politics as being 'inherently good' especially after the televised travesty that has been constantly broadcast since the military industrial complex gave the world JFK. More recently, after that December 2000 SCOTUS appointment, and all that came from it to the near-sudden appearance of a self-proclaimed Marxist populist 'Man of the People'... Civics classes are meant for indoctrination and little else beyond the official pledges as to how things are done, though the brightest or the most cunning knowingly wink to ace the pop quizzes and final exams, they get the point. The blind believe what they are taught is the whole truth and nothing but. Please...
Romance is just great as a game between prospective mates, but in reality it has much to do with fooling people into believing they have a say in what goes on. Who would understand that the whole soap opera is just there to keep appearances? More importantly, who would think that a planned collapse (of whatever magnitude) could create the vacuum needed to bring about what is desired by those who run these systems? History is full of this sort of scheming and today is no different, but the tools to enable it are simply- transcendentally- magnificent and not easily avoidable (though few can manage to escape the addiction of these tools even if they wanted to).
As for Bush's 8 years? Do you forget the forging of the DHS and the conglomeration of so many Federal agencies under its purview? The altering of the Muslim power base in the Middle East (that Mr. Obama is continuing, started by Mr. Clinton) caused by Soviet collapse, nuclear power and 'western' needs? Expand your view and ruminate Clinton's years. Remember the little things that ole Billy Boy did to begin the surveillance state and fortify police presence within the country? Do you realize how manufactured the housing crisis was, lining up people to partake in the fraudulent loans as created by Dodd/Frank for the 'good' of the economy and particularly the downtrodden? I could go on, but if people demand to be waxy over these Harlequin romance novels about the obvious, there is no point. Collusion will be natural since too many think of proverbial aluminum head wraps when it comes to what they have been told must be defended in vain attempts at being righteous and 'prosperous' and correct.
As for austerity measures? When that national debt clock hits @ $20-25,000,000,000,000.00 you can count on it. You can count on nothing seriously constructive being done to stop it from getting there as well. It's already included in future history books, being typed and corrected as we go on marveling at the stupefaction on the other side of whatever idiocra... ideological divide that has been promulgated into American political discourse, since Truman.
It would sure be nice to think that Mr. Obama or Mr. Romney might save us but that isn't a concept understood by their minds. THEY ARE POLITICIANS, after all, so they say what they will but you nor I nor anyone outside the law-making, opinion-creating resource-full earth-shakers have a say in any of it.
The slippery slide into the dumbing down of America, and the epidemic of obesity, and consumerism that hails Chinese made garbage is a clear and present reality. The pole into hell is being greased as I type. The handbasket into hell was shattered long ago from the constant shuttle trips.
Yes, the U.S. will collapse. The parasites are taking so much that they're killing the host.
Only 49% pay any federal income tax whatsoever. The welfare class is growing exponentially. Those receiving public assistance have a birth rate 3 times that of those who don't. It's simply NOT sustainable.
The America of the past is already gone forever. It is impossible to see what will be here after government bankruptcies and defaults, the export of jobs that will never return, traditional values and families being destroyed by moral relativism and rejection of God, etc., but it will be a far different and less civil society than before. We have become amoral barbarians.
Amoral Barbarians...good name for a band.
Also, great post. I agree.
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