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Old 01-19-2014, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Absolutely! And that's a good thing, which is why you & I support it. They can use this to weed minorities & the poor out of our buildings, where they don't belong and instead move them into Government run, low income housing complexes that will make their lives much better.
Because only minorities and poor smoke cigarettes? That's a new one.
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Old 01-19-2014, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If it is a business, it must obey business laws on
serving the public. The only way a bar or restaurant can be truly private is if
it is a membership and even then it is a tough rule.
When the smoking ban was put on the ballot here in Ohio, it was written in to the ballot language that private membership clubs and family owned an operated businesses would be exempt. Right after the law passed with 58% of the vote, a tyrant judge took it upon himself to throw out the exemptions for clubs and family businesses.

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You won't see smoking bans in private individual homes, I wouldn't even want you
to hold your breath on that one.
It's not even a question of if, it's a question of when.
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Old 01-19-2014, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Often times it is landlords that push for government bills like these.
You've said this a couple times now and I've yet to see you prove it. I'd like to see some links proving your claim.

Number 2, I don't really care who is pushing for the bans, it's still wrong.
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Old 01-19-2014, 07:20 PM
 
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Nazi's. When is the ban on women's perfume coming? It's long overdue.
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Old 01-19-2014, 08:45 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Because only minorities and poor smoke cigarettes? That's a new one.
No, not only, but yes, the poor smoke far more than you or I do Urban because they're not as educated as us. We are the intellectual elite, our burden is to make decisions for those poor people not capable of making them for themselves (read: everyone but us). It's not always clean & neat carrying such responsibility.
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Old 01-19-2014, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You've said this a couple times now and I've yet to see you prove it. I'd like to see some links proving your claim.

Number 2, I don't really care who is pushing for the bans, it's still wrong.
Marijuana dropped from Marin smoking ban - San Jose Mercury News This one mentions landlords in support of a smoking ban.

I could find you more, but you probably don't care and probably won't even read the link I provided. You might think a smoking ban is wrong, but a landlord who is looking to make more money by having their insurance costs go down will disagree with you.

If you want to smoke in your own home (which an apartment is one you don't own, and a condo is one which you don't own the building) then you can always go and buy a house or in many cases rent a house because often times these laws do not include renters of single family homes, though I doubt many landlords would approve of renters smoking in their houses.

And if you are curious, I could find more links but apparently their is a push by pub landlords in England to ban smoking in their pubs.

Also in Colorado they banned smoking in casinos and saw a 20% drop in ambulance calls. Just a fun fact for you.
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Old 01-19-2014, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No, not only, but yes, the poor smoke far more than you or I do Urban because they're not as educated as us. We are the intellectual elite, our burden is to make decisions for those poor people not capable of making them for themselves (read: everyone but us). It's not always clean & neat carrying such responsibility.
I see you are making assumptions again, me not smoking has nothing to do with my income level, it has everything to do with growing up in a family that didn't smoke. It is as simple as that, children are less likely to smoke if their parents don't smoke.
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Old 01-19-2014, 09:49 PM
 
Location: CA
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Often times it is landlords that push for government bills like these.
And, often times, it is not......

California Tobacco Control Program

The Mission of the California Tobacco Control Program (CTCP) is to improve the health of all Californians by reducing illness and premature death attributable to the use of tobacco products. Through leadership, experience and research, CTCP empowers statewide and local health agencies to promote health and quality of life by advocating social norms that create a tobacco-free environment.
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The mission of the Tobacco Control Program is to work toward achieving a tobacco-free California, and to reduce illness and premature deaths attributable to tobacco by implementing programs to reduce tobacco use and exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke.
Center for Program Evaluation and Research | Tobacco Control Evaluation Center
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:25 PM
 
Location: CA
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Here's an article, about the efforts and process.....

Barriers to Adopting and Implementing Local-Level Tobacco Control Policies
"The California Tobacco Control Program (CTCP) administers the funds of the $ 0.25 tobacco tax that California voters approved through Proposition 99 in 1988. The funds are used for a comprehensive tobacco control program in California communities, which is carried out by local health departments that receive guaranteed funding....

"Individual Rights: ‘‘It’s a Free Country’’

Many reports noted that one of the most passionate objections to tobacco control in any form centered on the issue of proposed regulations’ infringement of citizens’ personal freedoms. Local officials, event boards and surveyed individuals had reservations regarding proposed legislation because ‘‘people should be able to do what they want to do,’’ as was quoted in one report from a survey respondent. The individual rights argument is one of the arguments that the tobacco industry promoted [14], appealing to both smokers and non-smokers’ sense that America is the land of the free, based on individual freedoms, and policy making outdoor areas smoke-free usurped this ‘‘natural’’ freedom and citizens’ ‘‘civil rights.’’ Smoke-free policies were thus conveyed as ‘‘anti-American.’’

This anti-government backlash made it difficult for local tobacco control projects to find sympathetic decision-makers, especially in the smaller rural communities where any government intervention was viewed with a wary eye, according to several reports."

(so article notes, having youth volunteers join the campaign, can be helpful)

http://tobaccoeval.ucdavis.edu/docum...veltobacco.pdf
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Old 01-19-2014, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And, often times, it is not......

California Tobacco Control Program

The Mission of the California Tobacco Control Program (CTCP) is to improve the health of all Californians by reducing illness and premature death attributable to the use of tobacco products. Through leadership, experience and research, CTCP empowers statewide and local health agencies to promote health and quality of life by advocating social norms that create a tobacco-free environment.
Home

The mission of the Tobacco Control Program is to work toward achieving a tobacco-free California, and to reduce illness and premature deaths attributable to tobacco by implementing programs to reduce tobacco use and exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke.
Center for Program Evaluation and Research | Tobacco Control Evaluation Center
What does that have to do with landlords? There are more than just landlords pushing for smoking bans, I won't disagree with you on that one.
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