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His whole paper is uploaded on his site so it is available for anyone with a global warming bias to peer review, not just the established journals
That's not how it works. If he wants to gain credibility with his paper, he must submit it to a refereed science journal like EVERYONE ELSE. He appears to believe that he is special because he has a pundant web site masquerading as a science site. That's not how it works either.
That's not how it works. If he wants to gain credibility with his paper, he must submit it to a refereed science journal like EVERYONE ELSE. He appears to believe that he is special because he has a pundant web site masquerading as a science site. That's not how it works either.
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The pre-release of this paper follows the practice embraced by Dr. Richard Muller, of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project in a June 2011 interview with Scientific American’s Michael Lemonick in “Science Talk”, said:
I know that is prior to acceptance, but in the tradition that I grew up in (under Nobel Laureate Luis Alvarez) we always widely distributed “preprints” of papers prior to their publication or even submission. That guaranteed a much wider peer review than we obtained from mere referees.
Nobody on the pro-warming side says Muller has less credibility, he's being lauded in this thread for turning sides. Watts does the same thing Muller did, but somehow his credibility is questioning?
Nobody on the pro-warming side says Muller has no credibility, he's being lauded in this thread for turning sides. Watts does the same thing Muller did, but somehow his credibility is questioning?
Great, then we can expect Watt's paper to be published in a reputable peer reviewed science journal very soon, RIGHT?
You realize, of course that Watt has a BS. in broadcast meteorology, and is not actually a climate scientist, right?
Great, then we can expect Watt's paper to be published in a reputable peer reviewed science journal very soon, RIGHT?
You realize, of course that Watt has a BS. in broadcast meteorology, and is not actually a climate scientist, right?
So what do appeals to authority have to do with this? Al Gore does not have a Ph. D. in climate science yet he is regarded as the father of the global warming movement, or does a degree in a non-relevant field only apply to certain individuals? Sounds like to me you're another "you don't know anything if you don't have a degree in climate research and don't agree with mainstream opinion . We've seen these responses left and right, before. If I say I believe in global warming, and I don't have a degree in climate research, I'm still regarded as intelligent and enlightened. If I say I don't believe it, I get questioned if I have a degree in climate research. Mind stop moving the goal posts? How is Al Gore any more intelligent than Watts, and Al Gore has a B.A. in government. At least Watts has a Bachelor of Science degree, not a Bachelor of Arts, he also trained to be a lawyer but dropped out of law school.
So what do appeals to authority have to do with this? Al Gore does not have a Ph. D. in climate science yet he is regarded as the father of the global warming movement,
Only to climate deniers. The rest of us fully understand that Al Gore is a politician who just happens to have an interest in climate change, and has the cahones to speak up about it.
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or does a degree in a non-relevant field only apply to certain individuals? Sounds like to me you're another "you don't know anything if you don't have a degree in climate research and don't agree with mainstream opinion.
Not at all. But the fact remains that the only peer reviewed paper Watt has published was rather easily refuted. Now, if he is truly interested in standing by the scientific process, he will publish his paper in a reputable peer reviewed journal and let the experts. And if yuou are truly interested in the integrity of the scientific process, you'll feel the exact same way that I do.
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We've seen these responses left and right, before. If I say I believe in global warming, and I don't have a degree in climate research, I'm still regarded as intelligent and enlightened. If I say I don't believe it, I get questioned if I have a degree in climate research. Mind stop moving the goal posts?
Not at all. What matters the most is the integrity of the scientific process. Part of that process is peer review. And if you aren't an expert in climate science, you aren't truly a peer no matter how correct your review may be. You wouldn't expect to have brain surgery conducted by a news anchor man who's sole interest in the subject is that he took an anatomy course in college, would you?
Only to climate deniers. The rest of us fully understand that Al Gore is a politician who just happens to have an interest in climate change, and has the cahones to speak up about it.
Not at all. But the fact remains that the only peer reviewed paper Watt has published was rather easily refuted. Now, if he is truly interested in standing by the scientific process, he will publish his paper in a reputable peer reviewed journal and let the experts. And if yuou are truly interested in the integrity of the scientific process, you'll feel the exact same way that I do.
Not at all. What matters the most is the integrity of the scientific process. Part of that process is peer review. And if you aren't an expert in climate science, you aren't truly a peer no matter how correct your review may be. You wouldn't expect to have brain surgery conducted by a news anchor man who's sole interest in the subject is that he took an anatomy course in college, would you?
Even more semantics and strawmen coming from you. That is all your side has. No matter who you are, if you're pro MMGW bias, welcome aboard. If you're not, what's your degree in, how many papers have you published? Why not the same level of scrutiny on your side? By the way, Watts is only the co-author of the paper. He also has Dr. John R. Christy on the roster, a climate scientist working with the University of Alabama at Huntsville, and Stephen McIntyre, a mathematician. Hardly a paper short on "qualified" authors. Anyway, if you continue your posts with appeals of authority, they will be ignored. I'm quite tired of reading the same talking points from the warmists on here.
*Watts et. al also state that the paper is to be submitted for peer review. So there's your question answered
Even more semantics and strawmen coming from you. That is all your side has. No matter who you are, if you're pro MMGW bias, welcome aboard. If you're not, what's your degree in, how many papers have you published? Why not the same level of scrutiny on your side? By the way, Watts is only the co-author of the paper. He also has Dr. John R. Christy on the roster, a climate scientist working with the University of Alabama at Huntsville, and Stephen McIntyre, a mathematician. Hardly a paper short on "qualified" authors. Anyway, if you continue your posts with appeals of authority, they will be ignored. I'm quite tired of reading the same talking points from the warmists on here.
*Watts et. al also state that the paper is to be submitted for peer review. So there's your question answered
Great, then I eagerly await publication of his paper, and seeing how it is received by his "peers".
I know who Christy is. He and Roy Spencer are buddies. McIntyre has a B.S. in Math, and has repeatedly been shown wrong on many of his claims. For instance, his claim to have found a mistake with the "hockey stick" amounted to a fraction of a percent, and had no effect whatsoever on the validity of the graph. And yet his pundants at Wattsupdoc are still sticking to their mantra that it was refuted.
So what do appeals to authority have to do with this? Al Gore does not have a Ph. D. in climate science yet he is regarded as the father of the global warming movement, or does a degree in a non-relevant field only apply to certain individuals? Sounds like to me you're another "you don't know anything if you don't have a degree in climate research and don't agree with mainstream opinion . We've seen these responses left and right, before. If I say I believe in global warming, and I don't have a degree in climate research, I'm still regarded as intelligent and enlightened. If I say I don't believe it, I get questioned if I have a degree in climate research. Mind stop moving the goal posts? How is Al Gore any more intelligent than Watts, and Al Gore has a B.A. in government. At least Watts has a Bachelor of Science degree, not a Bachelor of Arts, he also trained to be a lawyer but dropped out of law school.
As far I know, Al Gore has not performed any scientific research, unlike Watts and Muller. Al Gore is not regarded as the father of the global warming movement, actual climate scientists (and some in related fields) are. Al Gore has only presented scientists' findings to the public, with some degree of distortion.
There have been plenty of others besides Muller who have found that poor station quality does not change average temperature. Maybe Watts is right and is showing something new, I don't know but I doubt it. He was previously shown to be wrong:
If you believe in global warming, that does not mean you are necessarily regarded as enlightened. You can still be regarded as an idiot (see first half for the pro-warming idiot).
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