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View Poll Results: Was the hanging chair a racist statement?
Yes it was obviously a racist statement. 54 43.20%
No, it was not necessarily intended as a racist statement. 69 55.20%
Other opinion - please explain. 2 1.60%
Voters: 125. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-23-2012, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by JJG View Post
Yeah... my position is nonsensical and indefensible... even though I JUST gave you the definative reason for why this is seen as racist.

Good logic, there.
I don't agree that you gave a definitive reason at all.

There is no way you can know with certainty what the old man meant. It is entirely possible that it was a criticism of the president not a criticism of his color.

Just because you interpret it as a racist statement, doesn't make it so.
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Old 09-23-2012, 02:57 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Originally Posted by CptnRn View Post
So, do you honestly think this man intended his hanging the chair to symbolize a lynching?

He originally hung the empty chair from a tree branch in his yard. The next day he added the American flag. It is obviously a political statement, but is it necessarily a racist statement?

Film footage of confrontation with the man while he takes down the empty chair.

KEYE TV We Are Austin.com :: News - Raw News - Austin Man Hangs Empty Chair From Tree Symbolizing President Obama

BOR: Republican Lynches Empty Chair in Racist Presidential Effigy in Northwest Austin

BOR: Republican Takes Down Lynched Chair, Claims Symbol Wasn't Racist




Link to photo: http://www.burntorangereport.com/upl...ched-chair.jpg


I know people would look at this a racist statement. but this person does have their 1st Amendment rights still intact. also, i dont remember alot of people complaining in the USA when an effigee of bush was hung and burned.
if people complain about thsi person using their 1st Amendment right, then do look for anyone to uphold your right to free speech if comeone complains about what you are doing now or in the future.
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Old 09-23-2012, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Only a Racist would even think about racism in this instance.

I do remember Bush hanging by a rope on many occasions, instead of a symbol of an empty chair.
Who wanted to lynch GW. Bush?
I don't agree that the chair suspended by a rope was intended to suggest a lynching, but even if it were, it would not necessarily be a racist statement anymore then these were.


http://www.bradblog.com/Images/SaddamHanging_Bush.jpg


http://unconfirmedsources.com/nucleu...h-Gonzales.jpg


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PVyDmTkfk6...ommierally.JPG




http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_t-EfdceTs6...gy_hanging.jpg

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Old 09-23-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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So when the left use actual nooses and effigies hanging from them there is no racist symbolism ?
But a chair tied to a tree with a rope is all racist and we're going back to post Civil War days.

FAUX OUTRAGE on the left. I think what you did with the Bush/Palin effigies was much, much worse.

Claiming that this is a left - right issue is just as narrow minded as the people who claim it is racisim. I'm a democrat, never voted for a republican in my life. But I have stated over and over in this thread that I do not see this as racism. It was intended as a political statement, nothing more.
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Old 09-23-2012, 03:21 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Only a racist would equal this to racism. I guess the hanging actual effigies of GW. Bush have been forgotten. Here we have an empty chair, something Bush was not.

He may have been a clown at times, but he took action, when he thought deep down and the congress approved it..... before it crossed his desk.
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Old 09-23-2012, 03:51 PM
 
Location: san francisco
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Not exclusively - the largest mass lynching to take place in the United States was in new Orleans(the South) and involved 11 Italians whom were executed.
NIAF MileStones

Furthermore - it requires a leap of imagination(not to mention an unhealthy hangup on race) to conect the chair to lynching. That was the farthest thing from my mind when I saw the picture. It is rather disturbing that it is the first thing that you think of - as is the fact that some people see the president as a black man rather than as a human being and the president of the United States.
The problem that many of you don't seem to be getting is that lynching has its connotations with blacks moreso than anything. It's a common perception that many people have. No one thinks of Italians because that's not what lynching is mostly applied to when it comes to Americans and its history.

If lynching were applied to Italians than by all means the connotations involved would exemplify racism on Italians, but in this case its on blacks.

Now sure, this man may have not intended it to be racist.... but golly, by all means, please respect the fact that there are racist implications involved. I don't understand why the hell people would go as far as rationalize, derationalize, or over scrutinize the situation when all you can do is say, "well, this may offend others, you might not wanna do that."

How freaking hard is that? Understand that President Obama is a black man... understand that the hanging of the chair symbolized lynching President Obama. How could you not see the correlations? Why does anybody want to defend to the very last drop of breath what this crazy old man was doing?
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Old 09-23-2012, 03:57 PM
 
Location: san francisco
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I don't agree that you gave a definitive reason at all.

There is no way you can know with certainty what the old man meant. It is entirely possible that it was a criticism of the president not a criticism of his color.

Just because you interpret it as a racist statement, doesn't make it so.
You're absolutely right.....

But......


Still, bra... there are implications here that can lead many to believe otherwise and we should be allowed to question his intentions.

"Pardon me, sir. Does this offend you?"

"Yeah, kinda."

"My apologies, it wasn't meant that way. I'll stop doing it."

Badda bing. End of story.
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Old 09-23-2012, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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How freaking hard is that? Understand that President Obama is a black man... understand that the hanging of the chair symbolized lynching President Obama. How could you not see the correlations? Why does anybody want to defend to the very last drop of breath what this crazy old man was doing?
Because the chair being attached to the tree had nothing to do with lynching. It was done so the chair would be seen. Only people with hangups on race and those who have overactive imagination are making a big deal of this - and those are the "stupid" ones who caused the man to take the chair down.

The problem is that no one seems to be able to criticize the president without being accused of racism. How do you not see that as a problem? Why do you promote division rather then support unity?

Barack Obama is not a "black" POTUS - he is the the President of the United States - period.

Understand that - and things will become much clearer. Skin color should be irrelevant.
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Old 09-23-2012, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You're absolutely right.....

But......


Still, bra... there are implications here that can lead many to believe otherwise and we should be allowed to question his intentions.

"Pardon me, sir. Does this offend you?"

"Yeah, kinda."

"My apologies, it wasn't meant that way. I'll stop doing it."

Badda bing. End of story.
And the man in Austin did take the chair down. He said it wasn't meant as a racist statement. He also said he was taking it down because people were stupid.
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Old 09-23-2012, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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You're absolutely right.....

But......


Still, bra... there are implications here that can lead many to believe otherwise and we should be allowed to question his intentions.

"Pardon me, sir. Does this offend you?"

"Yeah, kinda."

"My apologies, it wasn't meant that way. I'll stop doing it."

Badda bing. End of story.
You know what? That is exactly what happened. The man took the chair down because some people did get offended.

So why are we still talking about it - if that should make it "the end of the story"?

I'll tell you why - because the people who want to make everything about race want to keep it alive and talk about "lynching symbolism" where there never was anything.

Totally ridiculous.
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