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Old 10-01-2012, 11:34 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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Double Talk...language that appears to be earnest and meaningful but in fact is a mixture of sense and nonsense. 2. : inflated, involved, and often deliberately ambiguous
Kind of reminds me of Sarah Palin - string a bunch of words together and hope someone thinks they make sense.

Word salad.

 
Old 10-01-2012, 11:43 PM
 
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re: marriage benefits

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No. They can't. There are approximately 1400 benefits that the United States government gives to couples in a heterosexual marriage. Lawyers can't do this.

what kind of benefits are we talking about here?

thanks
 
Old 10-01-2012, 11:47 PM
 
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surely the answer is as follows:

1. keep the word marriage for heterosexuals only.

2. redefine SSM to 'homosexual marriage'.

how about that?
 
Old 10-01-2012, 11:49 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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surely the answer is as follows:

1. keep the word marriage for heterosexuals only.

2. redefine SSM to 'homosexual marriage'.

how about that?
No.
 
Old 10-01-2012, 11:52 PM
 
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why not?

seems perfectly reasonable to me.

please explain.
 
Old 10-01-2012, 11:56 PM
 
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LMAO



Am I the only one who thinks that perhaps English is not "stargazzer's" first language?
I thought it was an alien.
 
Old 10-01-2012, 11:58 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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why not?

seems perfectly reasonable to me.

please explain.
If the word "marriage" is good enough for heterosexual couples, then it's good enough for same sex couples.

There is no reason AT ALL that the word can't apply to both - except in the minds of bigots, who for some reason, think they "own" the word "marriage."

Damn! I hope I live long enough to see this bigotry put behind us!

I do believe the day is coming; I just wish it would hurry the hell up.
 
Old 10-01-2012, 11:59 PM
 
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so what exactly do you have against the word 'homosexual' then - as in homosexual marriage;

aren't you the one being the bigot here?

let's just have heterosexual marriage and homosexual marriage.


Aren't you the one saying that they are exactly the same.
 
Old 10-02-2012, 12:00 AM
 
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re: marriage benefits




what kind of benefits are we talking about here?

thanks

On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to:

· joint parenting;
· joint adoption;
· joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
· status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
· joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
· dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
· immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
· inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
· joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
· inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
· benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
· spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
· veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
· joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
· wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
· bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
· decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
· crime victims' recovery benefits;
· loss of consortium tort benefits;
· domestic violence protection orders;
· judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
· and more....

Most of these legal and economic benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for. For example, absent a legal (or civil) marriage, there is no guaranteed joint responsibility to the partner and to third parties (including children) in such areas as child support, debts to creditors, taxes, etc. In addition, private employers and institutions often give other economic privileges and other benefits (special rates or memberships) only to married couples. And, of course, when people cannot marry, they are denied all the emotional and social benefits and responsibilities of marriage as well.

Legal and economic benefits of marriage
 
Old 10-02-2012, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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so what exactly do you have against the word 'homosexual' then - as in homosexual marriage;

aren't you the one being the bigot here?

let's just have heterosexual marriage and homosexual marriage.

I mean, they are the same as you keep pointing out
Well, for one, the two people getting married might not be homosexuals. So, labeling their marriage 'homosexual marriage' wouldn't be correct.
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