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For all we know Zimmerman injured himself accidentally getting knocked off balance, not getting pounded by Martin's hands which had none of his DNA on them.
You don't accidentally fall face forward and land on your nose.
You don't accidentally fall face forward and land on your nose.
Says who? I have a scar underneath mine from falling face forward and landing on mine. There seems to be a lot of blood there, why wasn't it on Trayvon's hands?
You think it's farfetched for someone trying to engage another to take a tumble onto the concrete? Again get real.
I'm not saying that's what happened because that would take supposition of the level that Zimmerman supporters like to use, but it is certainly within the realm of probability since there's not a trace of DNA from either blood, hair, or skin of Zimmerman's on Martin's hands.
And certainly makes a lot more sense than the ridiculous notion that a pursued person who started to run would double back to attack their pursuer.
Says who? I have a scar underneath mine from falling face forward and landing on mine. There seems to be a lot of blood there, why wasn't it on Trayvon's hands?
You think it's farfetched for someone trying to engage another to take a tumble onto the concrete? Again get real.
You have fallen flat on your face? Do you have arms? Get real.
Why won’t Zimmerman be convicted? Because we now know everything the jury is going to know. We've read the reports, seen the photos, heard the tapes. The only way the jury could learn something not contained in the documents, photographs, and medical reports released last week would be if witnesses with personal knowledge were to testify. But that will not happen, because Martin is dead, and Zimmerman won't speak.
So here is what the jury will learn: Zimmerman called police frequently to report supposedly suspicious characters, and every time he called he was suspicious about someone black. It will learn that a 911 tape records someone shouting "Help!” right before Zimmerman fired the single fatal shot from point-blank range. Some witnesses say the person screaming was Martin, some say it was Zimmerman, and the FBI's analyst says the recording is too distorted to tell. (Notably, the newly released documents reveal that when an investigator spoke with Martin’s father, Tracy, and asked whether the screaming on the tape was his son’s, he responded, “No.”)
The jury will also learn that the back of Zimmerman's shirt was wet, as if he had been lying on his back in the wet grass; that he had apparently been struck in the face, and that he was bleeding from a gash on the back of his head. It will learn that police officers asked him at least three times whether he wanted to go to the hospital—confirming contemporaneously that he had visible physical injuries.
A second-year law student could identify enough doubt here to preclude a criminal conviction. A superstar lawyer, which is what Zimmerman now has, could get an acquittal in his sleep. Zimmerman's defense will be that he felt threatened by Martin, that his fear was reasonable because Martin was hitting him, and that he was therefore justified in firing.
You have fallen flat on your face? Do you have arms? Get real.
You think it's impossible to sustain facial injuries from falls because people have arms? Are you serious?
There are numerous reasons why your reaction may not be quick enough to break a fall causing injury to your face. If you are close to the ground to begin with for one...If you are engaged with someone else, another.
What fact are you basing the "high probability" that Martin initiated the physical confrontation? Your fantasies?
By his own words, Martin has started to run from him...Have you EVER heard of a situation that a pursued person running doubling back to initiate an assault? Does that make the least bit of sense to you?
If it doesn't make sense, it's not true. If it were true, your boy Z wouldn't have multiple accounts that do not jive with the chronology of the 911 call to make Trayvon out to be the aggressor. If Trayvon was the aggressor, he was the aggressor, no need to make up a tale.
So Zimmerman got injured in the attack he initiated? Perhaps even more than the person he initially aggressed...Zimmerman was a lot bigger than the 140 lb Martin but maybe Martin was quick and he was clumsy, the ultimate outcome is that he shot Martin with a gun.
In what universe is that self-defense? In what universe can you stalk/aggress an unarmed person then claim you had to shoot them in self-defense??? I'm afraid for my life around people like you. If it is not self-defense (which it clearly isn't)...he is guilty of a crime.
Not really, but then again, these self-defense cases are not black-and-white.
You can't ordinarily provoke someone into attacking you and then claim self-defense. Unless, that is, you are able to show that the person responding used force beyond what was sufficient to repel an ordinary attack. But it's not accurate to say that you can just go around baiting someone and then claim victimization - the Florida law explicitly rejects that.
It's just that these cases are complicated. A person may not be allowed to bait someone into an attack for the purposes of claiming 'defense', but a person is allowed to carry a firearm (with the right permits); a person is allowed to monitor the behavior of others; and a person is allowed even to confront someone and ask what he's doing in the neighborhood. The question in this case is, was there something that was done beyond what we've just talked about. It's still too early to tell yet. My gut says, yes, Zimmerman did more than just behave like a concerned citizen, but we need the proof.
As much as it might suck to admit it, the physical evidence on Zimm's face points to an intense physical struggle, which a person could reasonably conclude that served to legitimize Zimmerman's claims of self-defense. Common sense says that there must have been something that Zimmerman did to provoke the attack or make the incident much more likely, but right now, it's not clear what evidence there is to show that this is true. I'm guessing the prosecution has it though.
True, the state might be withholding some crucial evidence indicating gz provoked the attack, threw the 1st punch, or couldn't have had a reasonable fear of suffering serious physical injury. You're guessing they do. I'm guessing they don't, and anything they haven't yet made public is exculpatory.
GZ following tm is what caused tm to punch him. Whether he was frightened or p'od or something else, who knows.
You can slip and not catch yourself if you're running and holding onto a gun concentrating on keeping someone within your gun sights. Remember, it was dark and raining , therefore slippery, especially on the grass. In Florida, the ground does not hold the water, so it woud be easy for to stumble on the slippery grass. We have no one but Zimmerman's word that any of the altercation was even on the concrete sidewalk. Remember he had grass stains on his jacket.
We have no one but Zimmerman's word that any of the altercation was even on the concrete sidewalk. Remember he had grass stains on his jacket.
Well he's changed the supposed location of the altercation at least once so we know how reliable his word is.
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