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Old 11-20-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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The sexual accusations made public last Monday, then recanted a day later, led to Mr. Clash coming out as a gay man, something he had not previously discussed in public. “I have never been ashamed of this or tried to hide it, but felt it was a personal and private matter,” he said in the statement last week.


Accuser of Kevin Clash, Elmo Puppeteer, Recants Claim - NYTimes.com

So, what have we learned here. The allegations are false and have been recanted, but because of the backlash, this guy is doing what he has to so that PBS doesn't get embroiled in the "court of public opinion" as one poster put it. Most of the gay people I know are 20,000 times more productive than the idiot right wing posters on this site sitting in their underwear, eating twinkies and denny's and posting racist homophobic crap.

 
Old 11-20-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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I'm sorry I don't view the legitimization of homosexual acts as societal progress but a symbol of the wider moral decay gripping America which includes the example you highlighted.

And yes I do view procreation as being very important many countries face stark futures because of declining birth rates.
True, but not THIS country.

Moreover, you didn't answer the question. Is a welfare mother with 6 kids considered to be productive in your eyes? Is it moral decay, or productivity....make up your mind.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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Can't say I'm surprised. It just makes you wonder how many other pedophiles work for "children's television".

Mitt Romney was right, PBS needs to be defunded.

Enough with the sex panic.


Do we need another primer on what a "pedophile" is? A person who is sexually attracted to CHILDREN.

A 16 year old is not a child. While not ideal and often exploitative, 16 years old was historically prime marrying age, with women that age sent off to marry and bear children for much older men. It's also the age of consent in many states.

Ephebophilia is attraction to older teenagers. I'd venture most men in America are ephebophiles, as evidenced by "countdowns until X star is 18" popular in the media (Miley Cyrus, Olsen Twins, etc.)... and the lusting of many the parent of a highschooler for the cheerleaders at the school football games.




Besides, if endemic pedophilia was the standard of what needs to be dismantled, there'd be no churches left in America.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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Interesting so why do liberals support mass immigration from the third world if its a backwater?


I do not, and have warned liberals against the importation of ideas from other countries which fly in the face of progressive goals.

After all, there have also been calls by conservatives to WELCOME illegal immigrants from Latin America as being "family values oriented!"


That is another discussion, however, so stop deflecting.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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The "most of the world" is a backwater cess pool of ignorance, superstition and traditionalist beliefs.

Forgive us who live in the civilized world for giving two craps about what "most of the world" believes is an "identity." Eventually they'll come around. In places like China, for example, as understanding of science, human psychology, sexuality and biology grows, so too does the acceptance of being gay as an identity.




And for the record, whether or not someone can or have children biologically is not the measure of the worth of a "lifestyle" or a relationship.



If someone is gay, they naturally will be part of the "gay lifestyle." It is pure idiocy to say they "shouldn't be gay." They either are or they aren't. The "gay lifestyle," such as it is, also can be lived many ways. Just like the "straight lifestyle". The "gay lifestyle" can be monogamous marriage, forever bachelorhood, promiscuity, celibacy, raising children: biological or adopted....
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Procreation rates - rising or falling - have absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality, which exists whether you accept it or not.


Procreation these days is about economics. Focus your energy on figuring out how we got where we are today on that front and you can begin to make progress on tackling falling procreation rates!
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Enough with the sex panic.


Do we need another primer on what a "pedophile" is? A person who is sexually attracted to CHILDREN.

A 16 year old is not a child. While not ideal and often exploitative, 16 years old was historically prime marrying age, with women that age sent off to marry and bear children for much older men. It's also the age of consent in many states.

Ephebophilia is attraction to older teenagers. I'd venture most men in America are ephebophiles, as evidenced by "countdowns until X star is 18" popular in the media (Miley Cyrus, Olsen Twins, etc.)... and the lusting of many the parent of a highschooler for the cheerleaders at the school football games.




Besides, if endemic pedophilia was the standard of what needs to be dismantled, there'd be no churches left in America.
Take a breath. You've worn yourself out.

Clue: Nobody cares.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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Take a breath. You've worn yourself out.

Clue: Nobody cares.

I'll type less and use smaller words next time.

I forget the City-Data demographic profile.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 11:03 AM
 
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Take a breath. You've worn yourself out.

Clue: Nobody cares.
After 5,400 posts or ranting right wing hyperbole, I have to say, right back at ya on that one, "Dale".
 
Old 11-20-2012, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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True, but not THIS country.

Moreover, you didn't answer the question. Is a welfare mother with 6 kids considered to be productive in your eyes? Is it moral decay, or productivity....make up your mind.
She's productive insofar as her ability to reproduce ensuring survival of another generation, this after all is the goal of any species on the planet. Whether her children become productive members of society well that remains to be seen.
 
Old 11-20-2012, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Westchester County
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Elmo like teenage boys!!!
 
Old 11-20-2012, 11:23 AM
 
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So is a welfare queen with 6 kids productive as such?

I mean...come on man. This isn't the 19th century and we aren't an agrarian based economy. At this point in our history, to conflate productivity with having children is pretty frickin' outdated as a concept. And truthfully, you know that already so i don't even know why you're saying something so silly.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have children, but if homosexuals can't have children, that's an added societal benefit as far as i'm concerned. Homosexuals have proven to be productive in other ways.

Or that gay couples raising the children heterosexual couples discard isn't productive.
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