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Old 12-11-2012, 10:44 AM
 
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That's the problem though, people who want to force other people to do things their way are more motivated to public protests, then people that just want to be free and live their lives the way the they see fit.

It's sort of like the freedom loving hippie going up against the power hungry tyrant. The tyrant is a powerful well organized group with thousands of members, and is in league with the government, while the freedom lover is just an individual.
The two things that spooked the union types and those who want to CHANGE America is the Tea Party protests and the 2010 elections. People still have the power in this country - for now. The problem is that is takes time and effort to make protests happen. And most decent people have jobs, kids, other stuff to take care of.

With the technology available, there has to be an easier way of gathering people - but like a war, sometimes it takes boots on the ground.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I have worked in the area of occupational health and safety. Unions help to enforce health and safety standards in a number of important ways:

Unions can gather information about dangerous conditions more effectively than individual workers can.

Studies have found that unions helps educate workers about health and safety risks in their workplaces so that unionized workers show greater awareness of those risks than non-unionized workers.

Unionized workers can speak out about dangerous conditions collectively, rather than individually, so that one individual employee is not targeted by management as a troublemaker. The strength of the collective voice of the union increases the likelihood the employer will honor the workers’ request for compliance.

Although under OSHA law workers can accompany an OSHA inspector on a workplace tour, unionized workers are far more likely to participate in the inspections resulting in a safer workplace.


American Rights at Work - How Unions Make Workplaces Safer
Only 11% of private sector workers are in unions. Are you saying the other 89% are SOL with regards to safety ?
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:49 AM
 
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I have worked in the area of occupational health and safety. Unions help to enforce health and safety standards in a number of important ways:

Unions can gather information about dangerous conditions more effectively than individual workers can.

Studies have found that unions helps educate workers about health and safety risks in their workplaces so that unionized workers show greater awareness of those risks than non-unionized workers.

Unionized workers can speak out about dangerous conditions collectively, rather than individually, so that one individual employee is not targeted by management as a troublemaker. The strength of the collective voice of the union increases the likelihood the employer will honor the workers’ request for compliance.

Although under OSHA law workers can accompany an OSHA inspector on a workplace tour, unionized workers are far more likely to participate in the inspections resulting in a safer workplace.


American Rights at Work - How Unions Make Workplaces Safer
So what? Unless they're willing to act, as in fire the workers that cause those dangerous conditions, they might as well not be there at all. The union defended the workers that were drinking and smoking pot on the job. Those workers are back to work. How safe do you think a workplace is, where the employees are drunk and high?
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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Right now there is way more wrong with unions than right.

I look at the bold above and think - who is the boss here? The workers or the owners?

If you are a good employee and make yourself valuable - there will be no fear from the employer taking advantage of you. In fact, the opposite will occur and the the employer will want to protect the good employee.
Being a good employee has little to do with worker safety. The U.S. has a long and bloody history of employers ignoring the health and safety needs of its workers in a rush for greater profits. (I worked in the area of occupational fatalities)
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:07 AM
 
Location: DFW
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When the unions are gone the worker protection laws will go with them.Everyone will pay the price just as everyone benefits because of the unions.
Wake up.. The RTW states don't depend on Unions to protect their workers. We get along fine without a heavy unionization.

Very few benefit from Unions except politicians and union bosses. If the Unions offered real services people would want to join.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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Most of these non-union workers in these RTW states that are creating all this "progress" are also on some kind of goverment assistance.

But of course we won't hear about that.

Corporations make higher profits and the rest of us subsidize their workforce. Another form of corporate welfare.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Liberals accused of Republicans 'losing it' after the elections but nothing compares to this collective temper tantrum in Michigan.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Most of these non-union workers in these RTW states that are creating all this "progress" are also on some kind of goverment assistance.
Have some data to defend this statement?

Everyone in Michigan who is unemployed and hasn't moved out of the state....how many of them have been helped by unions?
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:55 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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We have laws to protect workers. The majority of American workers (non government) do not belong to a union and are doing fine at their jobs.

What are you people so scared about ?
How long to you think those laws protecting workers will stay on the books without the threat of the unions? Already legislation has been introduced to do away with minimum wages and minimum ages for kids entering the work force.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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Default 2014: Goodbye, Snyder

Anti-worker legislation can still be undone. Good news for the country.


Unions say Michigan ‘right to work’ law can be undone
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