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Old 12-11-2012, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
How exactly does not forcing people to pay for a union that they are not a member of, nor represented by, equate to working for $38 per month? If unions actually perform a useful service they can compete and earn their members, not forcing people they don't represent to pay them. That's called "protection money" in similar situations.
The union is legally required to represent all members of the bargaining unit, even those who do not choose to be members of the union.

In other words, your statement that the nonmembers are not represented by the union is a lie, pure and simple.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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You do your job you keep your job. Unions: You don't do your job you keep your jobs.

What has Unions done for Detroit ?
Says who?

I've seen folks drummed out of Corporations simply because someone didn't like the way they laughed. And how many folks are eased out the door over 50 ~ but before they reach full retirement age in Corporate America?

Let me tell you ~ LOTS.

There are NO protections for employees in RTW states - unless the coporation is worried enough about their good name that they are willing to pay on a lawsuit they probably wouldn't owe.

Unions have their pros and cons - but let's not con ourselves that the worker has ANY protection whatsoever in a right to work state. Unless they are in a protected class or can prove a narrowly defined discrimination suit.

Last edited by Ringo1; 12-11-2012 at 09:12 AM.. Reason: spelling
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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Wrong. Right to Work means the right to get fired for any reason what so ever including you happened to belong to a union or you're left-handed or your wife won't put out for the boss....and there won't be a damn thing you can do about.
hyperbolate much?

You cannot be fired for belonging to a union anywhere in America.
Wives are protected from sexual harrassment.

As for the left-handed... we tend to be better than the rest of you so I dont worry much about that.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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The union is legally required to represent all members of the bargaining unit, even those who do not choose to be members of the union.

In other words, your statement that the nonmembers are not represented by the union is a lie, pure and simple.

People are people. They are happy to have the bargaining power of a union working for them, but also happy to save a few bucks to not pay union dues as long as "everyone else" is. I'm not saying unions are the greatest things ever but at least they provide a counter-balance to corporate greed.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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The Republicons flexing their cheeks again to dump on the middle and working classes and American democracy. Lyin' Snyder.
Freedom of choice is such an evil thing to the left, tyranny is their preferred lifestyle of choice. Oooops, sorry for using "choice" again.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I can't believe that Obama told those people that if the right to work law passed their salaries would be lowered.
That was an outright lie.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:38 AM
 
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I'd rather have that than have my employer be forced to keep workers that are drunk on the job, knowing they can NEVER be fired.

What do you think that does for moral? Safety? The product? What it means is that you only have the losers left, because all the good employees have gone where their work performance matters. See our public education system to see it in action.
False. No union exists that can protect workers from being fired. The union will try to assure that you get a second chance but everyone,union or non union can be fired.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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People are people. They are happy to have the bargaining power of a union working for them, but also happy to save a few bucks to not pay union dues as long as "everyone else" is. I'm not saying unions are the greatest things ever but at least they provide a counter-balance to corporate greed.
Exactly. This is precisely the free rider problem that the anti-union people pooh-pooh.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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False. No union exists that can protect workers from being fired. The union will try to assure that you get a second chance but everyone,union or non union can be fired.
Anyone caught smoking pot and drinking ON THE JOB is usually fired immediately with no "second chance". You agree to the terms of employment when you took the job to begin with.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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hyperbolate much?

You cannot be fired for belonging to a union anywhere in America.
And without a union to represent you forget about getting anyone to enforce this or even pay attention to your claim.

That's why the bosses want to get rid of unions.
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