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And so does pushing bills through in a hurry in a lame duck session that were written by out-of-state special interest groups funded by the Koch Brothers and that the public had not even had a chance to read. What MI law makers just voted for may not do what they intended and may not be legal under our state constituion. A lawsuit has already been files so it's not a done deal just yet.
This will lead to wage de-flation. You will see lower earnings and less being spent in a consumer based economy. If you want to see the difference in wages in RTW and union friendly state look at simplyhired.com it will chart wages for different jobs at state level. You will find RTW will cause lower earnings in all areas.
When the "job creators" need politicians to lower the pay rates, it should tell you who those politicians protect.
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Here's an idea. In all RTW States, the minimum wage should be doubled. We know the wages in those States are headed to the minimum which is the intent of the RTW laws. So at least workers in those States would be at the higher end of poverty.
Here's an idea. In all RTW States, the minimum wage should be doubled. We know the wages in those States are headed to the minimum which is the intent of the RTW laws. So at least workers in those States would be at the higher end of poverty.
Fear mongering. The Toyota workers in Tenn are not making min wage.
People are still free to form and join unions. Unions have not been outlawed.
11% of the private sector are in unions.
Their days in the private sector are numbered. Best to go put all your effort into public sector unions because that's where your numbers are now.
Society is changing and rather than kick and scream for the "old ways" you'd be better off adapting to the new ways.
Globalism does not like unions. You should have seen that one coming but you didn't.
I can go to China and buy a new car for $11K (USD). Why can't I do that here ?
I would hope you understand that lower wages result in less spending for products and services which leads to fewer jobs and more lower wages that leads to more people in poverty ... etc ......
And higher employment leads to people EARNING any wages at all, which leads to greater demand for jobs if a company can reinvest profits into the COMPANY in order to expand to meet growing demand, rather than paying union demands for outrageous pension packages and guaranteed jobs for government pet projects like electric cars, which nobody wants or can afford at $41,000.
ROFL...can't get any more "objective" than to use an article from the NEA promoting unions.
Yes "fair and balanced" Fox is much more reliable.
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? You mean like Obamacare? Like THAT????
LOL. seriously hypocracy abounds.
Obamacare is a compromise with repugs and a wet kiss to their base. Be happy!
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Society is changing and rather than kick and scream for the "old ways" you'd be better off adapting to the new ways. Globalism does not like unions. You should have seen that one coming but you didn't. I can go to China and buy a new car for $11K (USD). Why can't I do that here ?
Here are a couple of points which continually go unanswered on this forum:
Why do you old righties suddenly love Red China so much? Yes, neither communists nor fascists like unions for obvious reasons.
Since you like the Chinese model so much, what is stopping you from going there to live? Why would you not want to live alongside your workers and share in the great "new way" of a "forward-thinking" country which you admire? You and your conservative ilk extoll the virtues of slave labor in foreign countries, the "new globalism", yet you remain here alongside the "spoiled American worker". You don't have to.
Here's an idea. In all RTW States, the minimum wage should be doubled. We know the wages in those States are headed to the minimum which is the intent of the RTW laws. So at least workers in those States would be at the higher end of poverty.
Texas has been RTW for a long time. Wages aren't headed down. Unemployment is.
So many from Michigan and Ohio here looking for (and most, finding) jobs.
Why do you old righties suddenly love Red China so much? Yes, neither communists nor fascists like unions for obvious reasons.
Since you like the Chinese model so much, what is stopping you from going there to live? Why would you not want to live alongside your workers and share in the great "new way"? You and your conservative ilk extoll the virtues of slave labor in foreign countries, the "new globalism", yet you remain here alongside the "spoiled American worker". You don't have to.
Maybe you're too young to remember.
Offshoring was sold to us as a great thing.
Offload the menial mfg work to other countries at a lower labor cost.
Americans would move to higher paying jobs.
The products coming from these countries would decrease in price and everyone would be a winner.
Did that happen ? If it did then that $11K Kia sold in China would also be $11K here instead of $20K.
Here's what you don't see.
China was on the bottom so the only direction for them was upward in salary and wealth.
The US was on top and is falling in salary and wealth.
Globalism calls for equalibrium in labor but says nothing about equilbrium in product costs.
Instead of trying to understand what I'm trying to say you get all childish and tell me to pack my bags and move there. Me, as a single individual, moving to China, will not stop what is happening in society.
Obama expanded NAFTA considerably by allowing Mexican truckdrivers to take over the US highways and take jobs from American truckdrivers --- so I think we can all safely assume Obama is very much in favor of NAFTA and all that dirt cheap labor.
Plus of course he plans to bring in many millions of new cheap labor by offering a huge amnesty. It really is all for the purpose of bringing wages down. No matter what he pretends when it comes to jobs for Americans, his actions are for the opposite.
A) As a right-winger then you approve of what Obama did for the truckers, although the "left" does not. U.S., Mexico Reach Deal on Trucking Dispute - WSJ.com
Notice from the WSJ article:
"The new requirements for Mexican trucks are tougher than those established in Nafta and somewhat tougher than those currently in force for American truckers".
"Nonetheless, the agreement appears to be a setback for U.S. labor unions....."
"The trucking deal "caves in to business interests at the expense of the traveling public and American workers," said International Brotherhood of Teamsters president Jim Hoffa".
So the decision favors the republican base, yet you continually express your disdain for the "left" and unions.
B) Amnesty has been on the table for years and was favored by your idol Reagan.
C) It is the right wing corporations, the repub base, which favor and employ dirt-cheap labor. They seek it out worldwide and especially like it locally.
Here's an idea. In all RTW States, the minimum wage should be doubled. We know the wages in those States are headed to the minimum which is the intent of the RTW laws. So at least workers in those States would be at the higher end of poverty.
here is a better idea. keep your commie stuff out of our great Free Market states?
Oh and the notiong that RTW was created to drive wages down is just bunk. Texas has been RTW for YEARS and that has not happened and is not happening.
It is true that wages here are less than places like NYC and CA. But it is also true that cost of living here is vastly lower. In fact while wages arent as high, in many cases real purchasing power is better in Texas than those states with higher wages.
Maybe we should make the claim that RTW drives down cost of living and thus drives up purchasing power for the average worker.
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Yes, neither communists nor fascists like unions for obvious reasons.
