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Old 12-12-2012, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Might as well get accustomed to it.. Unions are dying and have been for decades.. They no longer serve the needs of their membership and instead serve themselves and now it's time to pay the piper.. Unions are on their way out, across the country.. It won't be too long before there isn't a state left that isn't a right to work state..
If labor unions want to gain favor with the corporate world, then they should offer to take over the burden of administering all worker benefits, and so saving companies the expense of doing that. As a result, corporate support for right to work would vanish! But then plenty of conservatives would whine that no one should be forced to work where the benefits are forced, most of all by labor unions.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:03 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Are you saying that the attack on the AFP tent took place because Crowder was there? How about the destruction of the business place, his hot dog stand, of Clinton Tarver? Oh, I forgot, they destroyed that thing because Tarver went to the aid of the women buried in the tent.
Your post was pure union Pelosi and I would say that you are one of those who was at Lansing yesterday from the sound of it.
All you know about it is what Fox told you, and what you want to believe. You know nothing else about that situation. It's just easy and rewarding for you to parrot the right-wing media. I myself might believe Fox media if it hadn't lost its credibility long ago. I certainly would like some real news.
You know what they say about assumptions?
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Remember ---A) it was Bill Clinton that pushed through and signed the NAFTA deal -- and that was certainly about cheap wages and putting Americans out of work.
B) Obama only expanded NAFTA and is just as avid as GW Bush about bringing in millions of cheap illegal workers. You seriously cannot blame only the Republicans for cheap labor. They can have their fair share of blame, C) but exactly why do you think Obama just took that trip to SE Asia? More cheap labor of course. I don't see how you can be so fooled.
A) You just make statements without bothering to read previous posts? The discussion about Clinton and NAFTA has been worn out around here.
B) Obama can do nothing about NAFTA with repubs in congress, and nobody, including you, knows how he feels about it.
C) He has spoken only vaguely about this - so what info do you have? I heard him speak about "cooperation" but that could mean anything. Why do you assume one thing?
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What barrage of crap, your unemploymnent #s are BS comparing Texas or Alabama to Nevada is apples oranges
You got something against people working
These are not my figures.
Yeah *hyuk* I hate people who work and succeed in life! I myself am a leech living off your tax dollars. That do it for ya?
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:04 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Choice...

The ultimate civil right.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:08 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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The latest chapter in the Republican power grab here in MI is they've introduced legislation to make in much harder to recall politicians.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:16 PM
 
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A) You just make statements without bothering to read previous posts? The discussion about Clinton and NAFTA has been worn out around here.
B) Obama can do nothing about NAFTA with repubs in congress, and nobody, including you, knows how he feels about it.
C) He has spoken only vaguely about this - so what info do you have? I heard him speak about "cooperation" but that could mean anything. Why do you assume one thing?
Obama expanded NAFTA considerably by allowing Mexican truckdrivers to take over the US highways and take jobs from American truckdrivers --- so I think we can all safely assume Obama is very much in favor of NAFTA and all that dirt cheap labor.

Plus of course he plans to bring in many millions of new cheap labor by offering a huge amnesty. It really is all for the purpose of bringing wages down. No matter what he pretends when it comes to jobs for Americans, his actions are for the opposite.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:23 PM
 
Location: west mich
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Only if Crowder dresses in drag and demands free birth control pills.
You are Crowder!
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Kind of like Bill Maher? So if Bill Maher were to show up at a Tea Party rally and "annoy" the people there by asking them "Do you believe Sarah Palin is a c***?" and a Tea Party member clobbered him and fellow Tea Party members tore down a tent that a bunch of humping hippies were fornicating in, that would be okay with you? Violence is "okay" if anyone has the audacity to "annoy" a Liberal? I just want equal rights when it comes to punching out anyone who is annoying, I'm sure you understand.
You can't tell the difference? Maher is raunchy, witty, funny, and creative. No right-wing "comic" like Crowder or Dennis Miller can match him. Show me a right-wing comic or fan who does not equate humor with crassness.
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They should have gone further and killed all manning the tent and everyone associated with that horrible group. Finish off with a public beheading of the Koch brothers and their families on live TV. Time to get all French Revolution up in this place.
Or American revolution.
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What is AFP? I hear so much left leaning crap about it and it seems that until unions get involved I never hear much lefty noise about the Koch brothers or the AFP. Do you really know what it is other than what leaners say about it?
AFP is just another corporate fascist organization basically promoting "prosperity" for a ruling elite. An oil billionaires' front group.
http://www.politifact.com/personalit...ns-prosperity/
http://www.politicususa.com/american...ork-rally.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...for_Prosperity

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Old 12-12-2012, 09:53 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Obama expanded NAFTA considerably by allowing Mexican truckdrivers to take over the US highways and take jobs from American truckdrivers --- so I think we can all safely assume Obama is very much in favor of NAFTA and all that dirt cheap labor.

Plus of course he plans to bring in many millions of new cheap labor by offering a huge amnesty. It really is all for the purpose of bringing wages down. No matter what he pretends when it comes to jobs for Americans, his actions are for the opposite.


Allow it and then play one against the other, or create a false narrative, to blame the innocent.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:49 PM
 
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AFP stands for Americans For Prosperity. The people behind it stand for what is in the best interest for the corporate world and its profits. Having a union in a workplace certainly isn't it.
AFP does not disclose its donors but it has been discovered that they receive major funding from the Koch brothers.


Kevin Grandia | The Big Money behind Americans for Prosperity
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Old 12-13-2012, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Pa
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AFP stands for Americans For Prosperity. The people behind it stand for what is in the best interest for the corporate world and its profits. Having a union in a workplace certainly isn't it.
The company I work for has both Union and non union plants. Oddly enough the non-union plants out perform our Union counter parts in both delivery and case cost. When we go to a Union plant I am always amazed at how little they care. Run 80% or 50% efficency it all pays the same.
Our line goes down it's like ants on a grasshopper to get it running again.
Theirs goes down its break time.
Your right having a Union in a factory certainly isn't good for profits.
What amazes me most is the trade Unions are very good and do superior work, yet those Union workers in factories act like going to work is going to their own hanging.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:56 AM
 
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Looks like you will have to negotiate your own salary. I don't know how the 90% of the workforce not in unions survives. LOL


Yep, the 93% somehow get along fine.
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