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Old 12-12-2012, 09:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by PullMyFinger View Post
Most of these non-union workers in these RTW states that are creating all this "progress" are also on some kind of goverment assistance.

But of course we won't hear about that.

Corporations make higher profits and the rest of us subsidize their workforce. Another form of corporate welfare.
Complete LIE.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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"More competitive" is code for lower wages. That is just what we need, workers working for lower wages so the owner class can have an even greater share of income.
To be globally competitive yes, wages have to come down.
The problem is that the price of goods isn't.

Workers make the goods for less than $1.00/hour yet when it comes here it's $30.00 on the shelves.
How come you can buy a new car in China for $11K (USD) yet can't find that same car here for that same price ?
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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Goodness gracious, is this what passes for journalism these days? Splitting infinitives?! Shameful, really.

In any case, I have no problem with them becoming a right-to-work state. Of course, I've never been part of a union. I'm unsure that unions continue to serve the best interests of their consituents and the companies.
I ran the entire sentence that you quoted in bold, thru the Word For Windows grammar check, and it passed, although you spelled "consituents" wrong.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:08 AM
 
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"More competitive" is code for lower wages. That is just what we need, workers working for lower wages so the owner class can have an even greater share of income.
Seriously....do you truly believe that?

Wages have decreased in Michigan steadily over the past 40 years....explain.

Oh....and obama donating $80 BILLION didn't help wages either.

Explain.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: it depends
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"More competitive" is code for lower wages. That is just what we need, workers working for lower wages so the owner class can have an even greater share of income.
"Less competitive" is code for no jobs. That is just what we need, no jobs--as long as we can pretend that if a job happened to show up, it would be a "good job."

Last I heard, every paycheck written in this great land is the result of a mutual agreement between a buyer of labor and a seller of labor--if not governed by a collective bargaining agreement that limits the rights of an individual.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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Stupid union thugs. Left-wing double standard - why are these thugs not arrested? BRAVO MICHIGAN and BRAVO CROWDER! Americans have the RIGHT not to pay dues to criminals in order to work!
When Obama will call Crowder and offer his support? Obama called little Sandra Fluke when her feelings were hurt. Punches get thrown, days after Obama whipped his base into a frenzy, and he'll ignore it all.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:19 AM
 
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Might as well get accustomed to it.. Unions are dying and have been for decades.. They no longer serve the needs of their membership and instead serve themselves and now it's time to pay the piper.. Unions are on their way out, across the country.. It won't be too long before there isn't a state left that isn't a right to work state..
They ignored the beating THEY got when the labor union rights amendment was shot down.

This violence is no surprise. It's called the Extinction Burst, and quite common when someone gets rewarded continually for very little effort. Then, when the reward gets withheld, the extinction burst kicks in, often quite violently. Just have to wait it out, and they'll slink off.....
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:22 PM
 
Location: High Cotton
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The ultra-thin veneer of civilizatrion comes off to reveal the true Union thug beneath.
Hopefully that old fat man will have his face totally disfigured and sucking his own blood to breath. Stupid ass, worthless, union scumbag thugs.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:23 PM
 
Location: west mich
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It will help workers ultimately. Texas is a right to work state and it's amazing how many people fled Michigan to come to work in Texas, and now Michigan will become more competitive, fewer people will need to pack up and leave their homes.
As for lower wages, that's the result of other factors like the open borders and massive immigration which in spite of what the liberals claim is their justification, anyone knows that it's all about bringing in much cheaper labor to replace Americans. Obama is very much for open borders and it's not really that he just happens to prefer foreigners over Americans, it's the cheap labor that is craved by the elite and corporations.
Republicans have never done a thing about open borders, even when they had control. Why?
A) They keep it as a wedge issue to beat democrats with at election time, then pay no further attention to it.
B) It is the republican corporate base which employs the cheap labor - another reason for them to ignore the issue.
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I'm sure many people in Michigan are more worried about it becoming a " Have To Work" state.
Eight of the ten poorest states have been RTW states for years. When is the "magic" going to happen?
The truth about RTW:
* After years of RTW, poverty is higher in those states - 10 or 11 of the 15 poorest states are RTW and almost none of the richest ones are. Unemployment runs about half a point lower on average in RTW states than in non-RTW states (for every Texas there's a Nevada).
* Almost every quality-of-life factor is lower in RTW states.
* RTW has had zero effect on outsourcing jobs.
* RTW is not an economic issue and never has been - it's a political one, a philosophical preference for top-down control of industry, favoring ownership and management.
* It's also about politically de-funding the Democratic Party and raising the power of corporate money in government (courtesy of repubs).
Red states which "hate government" are more dependent on govt than blue states. It's the blue states which subsidize them.
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detwahDJ said:
Yeah, uh ...... no. So you condone violence, attempts to stifle free speech and eliminating the right of Conservatives to peacefully assemble and petition their government, do you? Good little fascist!
Crowder, the aggravating Fox twerp, seems to have issues - maybe because he is an unfunny talentless "comedian" and despises the world which doesn't appreciate him. Quite possible...
Nobody attacks someone who is merely "reporting" - they may well attack an agitator who went there to taunt the crowd and stir them up to get an attack on film. This is Fox at its "best". This tactic is stock-in-trade for desperate right-wing organizations.
You, as a conservative, are closer to fascist than I will ever be - much closer.
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Old 12-12-2012, 05:27 PM
 
Location: On the border of off the grid
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When Obama will call Crowder and offer his support? Obama called little Sandra Fluke when her feelings were hurt. Punches get thrown, days after Obama whipped his base into a frenzy, and he'll ignore it all.
Only if Crowder dresses in drag and demands free birth control pills.
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