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Old 12-19-2012, 06:09 AM
 
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Since actual, factual data shows that gun control does not reduce crime (particularly murder rates), why in the world does anyone advocate gun control? Is this another one of those irrational, emotional repsonses to promote something ineffectual and potentially detrimental out of "fairness"?

Acting irrationally to an outside stimulus is puerile and accomplishes nothing. If one is going to undertake a major endeavor, make sure that the data shows that action produces the desired goal!

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:17 AM
 
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If gun control does not work, then why does the NRA have a war on gun science? Tod Tiahrt of Kansas put in a bill that stops the ATF from releasing any information on gun use and violence. If it does not work then why the secrecy? Why is it that after a ban on assault weapons, a real ban not the how it looks ban that the Clinton crime bill did, has there been no mass shootings in Australia? Why is it that Australia had 13 mass shootings in 16 years and after the 1996 ban and gov. buy back has there been none? Me thinks your talking out your ass.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:20 AM
 
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Lets take the Chinese attack all you far right wing nuts talk about, Yes with a knife this guy hurt 20 or so people, but every one is still walking. I bet every thing I own, that every one of the parents in CT would take a kid with a healing cut over one with 7 223 rounds in a box.

Now for the false dichotomy you throw out, not many but the far left is saying to ban guns. What is being talked about ranges from making semi autos in a class like the NFA controlled full autos to baning just these high capacity semi autos like Australia did.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:23 AM
 
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If gun control doesn't work, why does every other first world nation have gun control and lower homicide rates?
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Since actual, factual data shows that gun control does not reduce crime (particularly murder rates), why in the world does anyone advocate gun control? Is this another one of those irrational, emotional repsonses to promote something ineffectual and potentially detrimental out of "fairness"?

Acting irrationally to an outside stimulus is puerile and accomplishes nothing. If one is going to undertake a major endeavor, make sure that the data shows that action produces the desired goal!

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
All it proves is that the 1994 legislation didn't go far enough, they need to expand the ban to other weapons, 100% background checks.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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A good read:

Did the federal ban on assault weapons matter?
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:25 AM
 
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If gun control does not work, then why does the NRA have a war on gun science? Tod Tiahrt of Kansas put in a bill that stops the ATF from releasing any information on gun use and violence. If it does not work then why the secrecy? Why is it that after a ban on assault weapons, a real ban not the how it looks ban that the Clinton crime bill did, has there been no mass shootings in Australia? Why is it that Australia had 13 mass shootings in 16 years and after the 1996 ban and gov. buy back has there been none? Me thinks your talking out your ass.

The op provided a link at least to support their argument. You provided nothing to support your position which makes your accusation unfounded.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:25 AM
 
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If gun control does not work, then why does the NRA have a war on gun science? Tod Tiahrt of Kansas put in a bill that stops the ATF from releasing any information on gun use and violence. If it does not work then why the secrecy? Why is it that after a ban on assault weapons, a real ban not the how it looks ban that the Clinton crime bill did, has there been no mass shootings in Australia? Why is it that Australia had 13 mass shootings in 16 years and after the 1996 ban and gov. buy back has there been none? Me thinks your talking out your ass.

"Talking out of your ass"! You simply refuse to read the statistical data in the link (I am beginning to think that liberals cannot read). You must be "thinking out of your ass". Read the data- it does not work.

You are simply avoiding the question, as it shows that the gun control efforts are ridiculous and childish and meant for a different purpose.

READ THE DATA, rather than ranting about anecdotes.

Now why in the world would any rational person want to take an action that does not achieve the desired results?
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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All it shows is that the gun lobby has been extremely successful in neutering all attempts at serious gun control legislation to this point. Say what you will about the NRA, they know exactly what their doing.

Keeping gun control legislation local makes it essentially meaningless. Intranational borders are porous.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:27 AM
 
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If gun control doesn't work, why does every other first world nation have gun control and lower homicide rates?

Absolutely false- that is what the liberal propaganda would lead you to believe.

Obviously, you did not read the link (can liberals read?).

Let's post it again for those who are less than observant.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf
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