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Old 01-27-2013, 06:56 PM
 
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Your confusing conservatives with liberatarians.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:12 PM
 
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I agree with conservatives on many issues but this one makes no sense. They will fight the legalization of a safe substance just as hard as they will same sex marriage and abortion. The thing is, there is no religious ban on marijuana usage so it can't be fought from that angle. They are for personal liberties until it comes to something pleasurable then they fight it tooth and nail. Just like alcohol and tobacco, marijuana should be a personal choice as long as one doesnt get behind the wheel while under the influence. We need a serious libertarian candidate who will bring back the principles this country was founded on.
For the same reason that we are opposed to murder and child molestation- it is illegal and does not promote the health of the individual or society.

Why are you opposed to an unlimited speed limit in the US or legalization of child prostitution?
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:15 PM
 
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the problem with drug legalization, is some new drugs are so bad for people, that by the time the unsuspecting buyer learns just how bad the drug he bought is, it may be too late, he's addicted. That's the main impetus behind banning hard drugs, every generation of children is a new generation of young, curious kids, who are utterly ignorant to just how addictive and destructive some drugs are. So we just ban their manufacture or selling altogether.

Take some types of heroin, they have no other value then to addict people to them. I don't know if it is in fact true, but I heard some heroin is so addictive, that dealers give you the first one free, because one time is enough to addict most people.
I don't think it's a secret that drugs are bad for you. I mean....is there anyone anywhere who thinks heroin is GOOD for you?????? Let's work on getting the word out if there is someone under a rock somewhere. It's not up to the government to protect people from their own stupidity.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:19 PM
 
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I saw a republican on TV today who was OUTRAGED that some liberals want to ban assault riffles.

She said it was ridiculous to blame guns, then she proceeded to say that we needed to instead crack down harder on drugs.

doh!
Again, what conservative are you talking about? Neocons are all about controlling people- just like liberals. Real conservatives believe in individual choice and liberty.
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Old 01-27-2013, 08:26 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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You're right. Marijuana should be legalized. I am not going to smoke it and people smoke it anyway even if it is illegal. I think it would help free up police to handle criminals who hurt people instead of having the cops arrest some guy who is carrying a small amount of marijuana.

If we want people to stay off drugs, education and not banning everything would be the best way to do it.

You are also right about a good libertarian candidate in the White House. We need someone who will cut some spending, keep us out of wars, and restore freedom.
Ron Paul tried, but they labeled him crazy uncle larry and it was all down hill from there.
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Old 01-27-2013, 09:19 PM
 
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For the same reason that we are opposed to murder and child molestation- it is illegal and does not promote the health of the individual or society.

What determines if something is illegal? I say greed & protection for special interest groups. Cannabis is the formal (Latin) pharmaceutical name for "marijuana". Few if any feared it when it was called cannabis & was available in pharmacies (until 1937, when greed, protectionism & racism won). It is not a direct cause of death, unlike many of the legal drugs. It makes people non-violent if anything can, and it helps to prevent suicides, was recommended by doctors for all mental health issues in 1800s America.

Cannabis very much promotes good health. It can treat 126 medical conditions, often better than pills Info is on the site rxmarijuana.com/ hosted by Dr. Lester Grinspoon, ret. f/Harvard Medical School. He used to be very against it, then his 10 year old son, Danny, was diagnosed with cancer. Someone suggested marijuana, so he tried it, requested food & it stayed down. His son lived another 1 1/2 years. Dr. Grinspoon is expert now, & is in You Tube w/other experts, discussing MJs cancer-fighting abilities.
I think some of these videos are titled cannabis cures cancer.

Granny Storm Crow's list has huge number of studies & verifiable anecdotes about it's safety (no deaths) & benefits, arranged alphabetically by conditions helped. Wikipedia has good info with sources usually cited. Uncited info may be removed & if info is from a bad study it says the neutrality is in dispute.

A man who was in Canada, Rick Simpson, put out a 58 minute online video Run From The Cure. He spent his entire $1.3 million life savings curing cancer & other fatal illnesses using cannabis oil, which was in pharmacies until 1937 in US. US ordered Canada to arrest Rick Simpson as a drug dealer & have court-martial type trial, with no testimony from doctors or patients allowed. Rick Simpson fled to Europe.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:27 PM
 
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I agree with conservatives on many issues but this one makes no sense. They will fight the legalization of a safe substance just as hard as they will same sex marriage and abortion. The thing is, there is no religious ban on marijuana usage so it can't be fought from that angle. They are for personal liberties until it comes to something pleasurable then they fight it tooth and nail. Just like alcohol and tobacco, marijuana should be a personal choice as long as one doesnt get behind the wheel while under the influence. We need a serious libertarian candidate who will bring back the principles this country was founded on.

Because they know what's best for our bodies.
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Old 01-27-2013, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I agree with conservatives on many issues but this one makes no sense. They will fight the legalization of a safe substance just as hard as they will same sex marriage and abortion. The thing is, there is no religious ban on marijuana usage so it can't be fought from that angle. They are for personal liberties until it comes to something pleasurable then they fight it tooth and nail. Just like alcohol and tobacco, marijuana should be a personal choice as long as one doesnt get behind the wheel while under the influence. We need a serious libertarian candidate who will bring back the principles this country was founded on.
Why is it that potheads can never seem to comprehend the US Constitution? The Commerce Clause gives Congress the constitutional authority to regulate interstate and international commerce, and that includes marijuana. Maybe you should put down that joint and actually read the US Constitution for a change.
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:15 PM
 
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Why is it that potheads can never seem to comprehend the US Constitution? The Commerce Clause gives Congress the constitutional authority to regulate interstate and international commerce, and that includes marijuana. Maybe you should put down that joint and actually read the US Constitution for a change.
I would encourage you to to the same: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
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Old 01-27-2013, 11:18 PM
 
Location: California
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Now that the tobacco/marijuana gap is closing (see other thread about making tobacco a controlled substance) the whole issue is going to blow up. Either make tobacco illegal since it's far more dangerous than pot, or make pot legal. There is no longer any point in arguing about it really, we are all just waiting until government figures out how to profit. Don't kid youself into thinking there is any other reason it's not legal yesterday.
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