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You haven't shown how worker's rights are declining.
Part of worker's rights are their employers adopting certain safety standards. A company that disregards safety standards is violating workers' rights. And seeing how the mining industry used to be heavily unionized and isn't anymore, and the result of that lack of unions is a major profitable company like Massey being allowed to repeatedly ignore warnings about their safety standards, that counts as declining worker rights.
Part of worker's rights are their employers adopting certain safety standards. A company that disregards safety standards is violating workers' rights. And seeing how the mining industry used to be heavily unionized and isn't anymore, and the result of that lack of unions is a major profitable company like Massey being allowed to repeatedly ignore warnings about their safety standards, that counts as declining worker rights.
Any real safety standard is a law, union or not union the employer still has to follow the laws. If they aren't following the laws that has nothing to do with a labor union, that has to do with the gov. not enforcing the laws.
Any real safety standard is a law, union or not union the employer still has to follow the laws. If they aren't following the laws that has nothing to do with a labor union, that has to do with the gov. not enforcing the laws.
So the safety violations that Massey repeatedly violated would have been allowed to stand if a union had been in place? And before you go into "well we don't know what the union would have done" remember that multiple employees and managers voiced their concern over this and were threatened w/ firings.
Part of worker's rights are their employers adopting certain safety standards. A company that disregards safety standards is violating workers' rights. And seeing how the mining industry used to be heavily unionized and isn't anymore, and the result of that lack of unions is a major profitable company like Massey being allowed to repeatedly ignore warnings about their safety standards, that counts as declining worker rights.
Are you suggesting that the government, knowingly, is allowing Massey to repeatedly ignore warnings and refusing to take action? If that's the case, isn't that a problem with the government and not the lack of unions?
So the safety violations that Massey repeatedly violated would have been allowed to stand if a union had been in place? And before you go into "well we don't know what the union would have done" remember that multiple employees and managers voiced their concern over this and were threatened w/ firings.
Are the safety regulations that you claim they violated current state or federal laws? Are we talking about OSHA or something environmental in nature?
Are you suggesting that the government, knowingly, is allowing Massey to repeatedly ignore warnings and refusing to take action? If that's the case, isn't that a problem with the government and not the lack of unions?
Exactly, if it's illegal it's illegal with or without a labor union. OSHA doesn't GAF if a business is union or not.
Are you suggesting that the government, knowingly, is allowing Massey to repeatedly ignore warnings and refusing to take action? If that's the case, isn't that a problem with the government and not the lack of unions?
It's doesn't matter why the gov't failed to force Massey to clean up its act. You said that unions don't have a place in modern times. Would a union have allowed Massey to force workers to choose between safety and a job?
Are the safety regulations that you claim they violated current state or federal laws? Are we talking about OSHA or something environmental in nature?
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Originally Posted by TheMoreYouKnow
Exactly, if it's illegal it's illegal with or without a labor union. OSHA doesn't GAF if a business is union or not.
Irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant. The mines violated safety standards, were repeatedly fined, and had it brought to their attention by workers and managers. Would a union have allowed the company to force workers to choose between working in dangerous conditions or be fired?
Any real safety standard is a law, union or not union the employer still has to follow the laws. If they aren't following the laws that has nothing to do with a labor union, that has to do with the gov. not enforcing the laws.
Somebody hasn't moved out of their parent's basement yet....
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