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Old 01-29-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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Rifles are one thing, but "concealable" rifles are another...
Exactly...I want to see this question asked directly to DHS and covered on ALL media outlets. Impossible, I know, but I'm going to start asking these questions.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:04 AM
 
Location: southern california
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the government is beefing up arms but want us to disarm strange.
it is all very strange.
even stranger NRA response to kindergarden slaughter in CT is much like that of ms mctassel interviewed on KPBS this morning she is community advocate for the mentally ill.
what do we do about crazy people with ak47's that want to kill our kids????
answer both NRA and ms mctassel
my rights my rights my rights my rights my rights
signed a loyal NRA supporter and supporter of the mentally ill.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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You are one in a long line of clueless people. Did you even read the contract that is out for bid? They want a NEW lightweight CONCEALABLE assault rifle built. Why the need for concealment???? There is only ONE reason for that and it's to be used against the American people.
Where are you getting the "concealable" requirement from? (Not that it really matters - aren't many guns concealable?).
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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Where are you getting the "concealable" requirement from? (Not that it really matters - aren't many guns concealable?).
I see you are standing in that same ignorance line. Read the contract that was put out for bid. It was one of their requirements:

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DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required
2 questions.
1. Why is it being labeled a Personal Defense Weapon? Who are they defending themselves against?
2. Why the concealment requirement? Who are they concealing it from and for what reason?

Assault rifles are not meant to be concealed and never were meant to do that. It is an ASSAULT weapon, meant to be held out in the open as a show of force and as a deterrent.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:30 AM
 
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I see you are standing in that same ignorance line. Read the contract that was put out for bid. It was one of their requirements:

2 questions.
1. Why is it being labeled a Personal Defense Weapon? Who are they defending themselves against?
2. Why the concealment requirement? Who are they concealing it from and for what reason?

Assault rifles are not meant to be concealed and never were meant to do that. It is an ASSAULT weapon, meant to be held out in the open as a show of force and as a deterrent.
I have read the contract. The statement:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required."

does NOT mean that they are requiring concealable assault rifles. In that statement, "concealment" refers to the state of the person using the gun, not a specification requirement of the gun.


And if you have questions, why not call the guy who placed this order and ask him? His name, phone number, and email are right there on page one:

Troy Teachey
troy.teachey@dhc.gov
(202) 732-2592
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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I have read the contract. The statement:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required."

does NOT mean that they are requiring concealable assault rifles. In that statement, "concealment" refers to the state of the person using the gun, not a specification requirement of the gun.


And if you have questions, why not call the guy who placed this order and ask him? His name, phone number, and email are right there on page one:

Troy Teachey
troy.teachey@dhc.gov
(202) 732-2592
no, that is not what it means. Maximum concealment for the WEAPON! The state of the person using the gun...LMAO...what, it makes him invisible???? What a loony response, but I kind of expected that. Also, that concealment requirement came from the section about the general description of the WEAPON, not the person using it.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:33 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Why does DHS need 7k concealable assault rifles?
Why does DHS need to exist at all?
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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no, that is not what it means. Maximum concealment for the WEAPON! The state of the person using the gun...LMAO...what, it makes him invisible???? What a loony response, but I kind of expected that.
That's exactly what it means. Let me ask you this: How does one use a rifle while it's concealed? Isn't that pretty much next to impossible?
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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If you think AR-15/M4/M16 is conceleable, then so be it. I don't agree, but if you say so.....

If they had ordered pistols, which are very conceleable, then this would be a huge story, wouldn't it? Following your logic, that is..... Personally I think the Coast Guard and Border Patrol can order more rifles if need be. After all, those are the rifles they have carried all along. The Coast Guard also carries the Sig Sauer P226, which is pure evil, and very conceleable. Me, I love the P226, and I think the USCG made an excellent choice.
The AR/M4/M16 would probably not be considered concealable, but there are similar guns coming out that are.


Shot Show 2011 - Colt SCW (Sub-Compact Weapon) Rifle: Folding-Stock Tactical 5.56 SBR - YouTube

There is a lot of stuff coming out along these lines, including the 'Honey Badger,' a tiny rifle that fires a round (300 blackout) that is especially conducive to use w/ suppressor.

The AAC Honey Badger! - YouTube

So my guess--there are lots of new toys coming out, and somebody at DHS wanted to be able to play w/ them.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I have read the contract. The statement:

"DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and/or when maximum concealment is required."

does NOT mean that they are requiring concealable assault rifles. In that statement, "concealment" refers to the state of the person using the gun, not a specification requirement of the gun.


And if you have questions, why not call the guy who placed this order and ask him? His name, phone number, and email are right there on page one:

Troy Teachey
troy.teachey@dhc.gov
(202) 732-2592
It does sound like they are looking for something that can be used either in close quarters, or from a concelead position (sniper style)
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