Why does DHS need 7k concealable assault rifles? (Reagan, rating, terrorists)
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This is one of those moments where I really question the ideals of liberals and liberalism. If you notice, they turn a blind eye to these types of discoveries, as if they believe there is noble intent behind such a procurement. I'd love to find at least one liberal on this forum who will willingly and forthrightly question why a DOMESTIC agency tasked with ensuring "homeland security" would need such a weapon? We have the military for a reason, which is not allowed by law to police states and localities. Does DHS have this same prohibition? Is this an end-around miltary law and an loophole in which to carry out actions against citizens??
When can we expect liberals to question their government?
From section 3.12 of the OPs link--overall length with stock completely extended not to exceed 30 inches. OAL with stock retracted and/or folded not to exceed 20 inches.
M4 therefore is out. They want something really tiny. Even the SCW does not meet that. SCW with a 7 inch barrel would be close. It would appear they want something that can be hidden under a coat...and they want a lot of them.
The M4 has a 14.5 inch barrel, but there are plenty of shorter ones available for the AR platform. Shouldn't be hard to get it down to 30" extended. Given the buffer tube on the ARs, I'm not sure how you get it down to 20 inches collapsed, unless you build on the pistol action. An MP5 platformweapon is a good possiblity though.
The M4 has a 14.5 inch barrel, but there are plenty of shorter ones available for the AR platform. Shouldn't be hard to get it down to 30" extended. Given the buffer tube on the ARs, I'm not sure how you get it down to 20 inches collapsed, unless you build on the pistol action. An MP5 platformweapon is a good possiblity though.
No MP5. One of the specs is 5.56 cal. with M16 compatible mags.
Also they specify that a buttstock (folding and/or collapsible) be provided, so no AR pistol-type guns.
From section 3.12 of the OPs link--overall length with stock completely extended not to exceed 30 inches. OAL with stock retracted and/or folded not to exceed 20 inches.
M4 therefore is out. They want something really tiny. Even the SCW does not meet that. SCW with a 7 inch barrel would be close. It would appear they want something that can be hidden under a coat...and they want a lot of them.
They would not be looking for a RIFLE if they wanted something tiny. They are looking for something they can use in close quarters and from a conceled position. They are not looking to hide the firearm, but the shooter. Get it? IMO they will pick the M4, as it is close enough to what they are looking for, and they can use a shorter barrel if the 3' is a big deal. If they wanted something tiny, they'd be looking for sub-machine guns, and there are many to choose from in that category.
They would not be looking for a RIFLE if they wanted something tiny. They are looking for something they can use in close quarters and from a conceled position. They are not looking to hide the firearm, but the shooter. Get it? IMO they will pick the M4, as it is close enough to what they are looking for, and they can use a shorter barrel if the 3' is a big deal. If they wanted something tiny, they'd be looking for sub-machine guns, and there are many to choose from in that category.
Their specs ask for something that is 20" or less in collapsed/folded form. The M4 is 29.75" (per Wiki)--not even close. If the intended use was as you say, an M4 would be ok, but apparently it's not, is it?
The small AR's have gained favor over the subguns in recent times. There are some reasons for it--primarily mag/ammo compatibility with your full size rifle. But mostly I think it's just the never-ending search for the latest-greatest tacticool toy. As I said before, you lose a lot of velocity, range, and stopping power with the ultra short barrels. They sure do look cool, but I wouldn't want one.
The only reason I can think for a 20" collapsed/requirement would be hiding it under a jacket. Or maybe ease of carry inside a tank or aircraft.
Their specs ask for something that is 20" or less in collapsed/folded form. The M4 is 29.75" (per Wiki)--not even close. If the intended use was as you say, an M4 would be ok, but apparently it's not, is it?
The small AR's have gained favor over the subguns in recent times. There are some reasons for it--primarily mag/ammo compatibility with your full size rifle. But mostly I think it's just the never-ending search for the latest-greatest tacticool toy. As I said before, you lose a lot of velocity, range, and stopping power with the ultra short barrels. They sure do look cool, but I wouldn't want one.
The only reason I can think for a 20" collapsed/requirement would be hiding it under a jacket. Or maybe ease of carry inside a tank or aircraft.
Whatever they end up picking, I hope it is a good one and exactly what they are looking for .
I'm asking this question because it seems either nobody wants to answer it or they can't. Think about this for a minute. DHS put out a new contract for bid to build a new, lightweight, easily concealable assault rifle. Why? The ONLY reason for concealing an assault rifle is for the element of surprise. Who do they plan on surprising? You're not going into a foreign country with an assault rifle under your jacket to wage war, you aren't protecting anything with a concealed weapon, you would want that out in the open as a show of force. The only reason? To use the element of surprise on American citizens.
why they need them for their employees personal defense. we the little people are not allowed to use those kind of firearms for our personal defense, but get into homland security and you can get 1 for yourself. maybe even with some of the 1.4 billion rounds they bought last year.
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