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Old 02-06-2013, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by burdell View Post
I''m class of '67 , we didn't have calculators but we did have calculus.

Knowing the opposite of progressive is regressive explains a lot about this thread.
I wonder how many kids today could laugh at slide rules until somebody who could use one proved that they were as fast, even with big numbers, like Obama's trillions, as fast as calculators. Remember that hand held calculators, by and large, have trouble getting to a trillion, too many zeroes.

Knowing that progressive in political talk is nothing but socialist makes me wonder how people who are progressive political thinkers can keep on trying your comparison to convince anybody but more like you makes me laugh at your reasoning.

 
Old 02-06-2013, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Of course it's BS.

There are plenty of problems with our education system, especially in math and science. The emphasis on cheating off your neighbors (err, group work) and using a calculator for everything has had harmful effects. Changing the content and grading of exams so that someone who doesn't know any physics or math can still get a 50% on a university physics exam is clearly not good.

Of course, rather than discuss the actual problems, roysoldboy instead chooses to dig up complete BS, because the point is just to bash "progressives" while putting in zero thought or effort.
You are so very right all through that post and more right than you think on the progressive political thinking part.
 
Old 02-06-2013, 11:47 AM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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Mathematics is not the same thing as arithmetic. Mathematics is about using abstract concepts. Arithmetic is about making change from a $5 bill.

The elementary schools taught so-called "new math" when I was in grade school. We learned about binary and hexadecimal systems along with the decimal system. In high school I actually learned group theory along with calculus.

I avoided statistics but to me that is glorified arithmetic.
 
Old 02-06-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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What Sputnik showed is that yoiu could be a Communist and be a world class enginer or scientist. At the same time Spunik was launched the USSR had established the first scheduled jet airline service using Tu-114s. Khruschev flew to a state visit of the USA in 1959 on this same jetliner (Ike had a turboprop DC-6). The USSR had built the first nuclear power plant (1955) , expoded the first weaponizable thermonuclear bomb (1955) and tested another using a missile to deliver it to the test site. A staged thermonuclear bomb weighing 20 tons and the size of an 18 wheeler truck yilding about 60 Megatons ws airdropped in 1961. In the next few yeras they hit the Moon with a probe, Luna 2, photographed the far side (Luna 3) and sent the first probe into deep space (Luna 1 - Metcha), and Yuri Gagarin orbited the Earth and Titov orbited for a full day 17 orbits. The next Vostok cosmonaut spent 4 days in space.
Make sure to read my rather long post about why the Russians put up Sputnik earlier than the US did the same thing. I was working on my MS degree after college and the Army when Sputnik went up. Where were you?
 
Old 02-06-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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How are you with an abacus and a sundial?
Do you use google maps or a sextant?
Morse code or the internet?
I haven't used Morse since 1957 when I got out of the Army. However, old Algore hadn't daveloped the internet yet back then. Morse was a lot faster than mail or shouting from hilltops.
 
Old 02-06-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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The first program I had to write in my FORTRAN77 class in college in 1982 was how to calculate bowling scores.
Bowling scores are very easy to calculate almost instantly by being able to add numbers of more than one digit.

Actually, I wish I could have done what you say, but I couldn't.
 
Old 02-06-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I haven't used Morse since 1957 when I got out of the Army. However, old Algore hadn't daveloped the internet yet back then. Morse was a lot faster than mail or shouting from hilltops.
Yep, that yodeling hurt the throat.
 
Old 02-06-2013, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Conan O'Brien just tweeted, "My kids have that Asian flu where their throats hurt and their math scores are up".
Would those math scores be as in 97.6 to 103 or 104?
 
Old 02-06-2013, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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My 1st job out of the Army in 1969 was working on development of a FORTRAN IV simulator of GM Parts distribution throughout the US. It was a great language.
I really envy you guys but alas, I was just too old.
 
Old 02-06-2013, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Mathematics is not the same thing as arithmetic. Mathematics is about using abstract concepts. Arithmetic is about making change from a $5 bill.

The elementary schools taught so-called "new math" when I was in grade school. We learned about binary and hexadecimal systems along with the decimal system. In high school I actually learned group theory along with calculus.

I avoided statistics but to me that is glorified arithmetic.
People fail to understand that "math" is actually a language and the most universal "tongue" that is shared by everyone on this planet.
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