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'Liberal' I may be: I have to side with tinman01, etc. here--------it is called taking personal responsibility.
Well arizona we have agreed at last.......
Ah this is evidence that there is hope for us all. A conserv and a lib have found common ground...
LOL I am not the cold blooded neocon some think that I am. I am a simple conservetive fed up with the republican party and disgusted by the democrats.
I never took a dime in welfare and I paid for my children myself.
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When applying for her benifits
Now, I'm probably just nitpicking - but aren't these two statements the complete opposite from each other?? Whatever happened to "personal responsibility"?
Something extreme got in the way, right? There's nothing to be ashamed of - you need(ed) help. And the system gave it to you, correct?
So, in a way, you had to revert to using welfare system because life dealt you a hard blow. Now, I'm not racking on you to be mean and spiteful - but rather as an example that EVERYONE has in some way used the "Socialist" or "communist" programs of the government - some abuse the love. Some use it and because of those programs have become "successful."
I'm not sure why health care keeps getting dragged into these sorts of debates. Health is such a capricious thing - healthy people can get into freak accidents, or get stricken with disease, and suddenly require a quarter-million dollars worth of health care that would plunge them into bankruptcy under a market system. Where is the fairness in that?
Milk marketing orders?
Milk price supports?
Dairy Export Incentive Program?
National Dairy Market Loss Payments?
LOL tell that to the farmer who gets 13 dollars for a hundred pounds of milk same as he did in 1981.
Tractor in 1981 cost about 15 grand for a comparable machine today 50 to 60 grand.
Fuel in 1981 about a buck a gallon. Today 3 bucks.
Read into those benifits and see who they apply to.
I'm not sure why health care keeps getting dragged into these sorts of debates. Health is such a capricious thing - healthy people can get into freak accidents, or get stricken with disease, and suddenly require a quarter-million dollars worth of health care that would plunge them into bankruptcy under a market system. Where is the fairness in that?
So, you consider it more fair to forcefully take money from complete strangers to pay for these unfortunate incidents?
Now, I'm probably just nitpicking - but aren't these two statements the complete opposite from each other?? Whatever happened to "personal responsibility"?
Something extreme got in the way, right? There's nothing to be ashamed of - you need(ed) help. And the system gave it to you, correct?
So, in a way, you had to revert to using welfare system because life dealt you a hard blow. Now, I'm not racking on you to be mean and spiteful - but rather as an example that EVERYONE has in some way used the "Socialist" or "communist" programs of the government - some abuse the love. Some use it and because of those programs have become "successful."
As I said I paid for my children and never took a dime to pay for them or raise them...
I was forced to apply for the access cards because to be able use many of the supports for special needs children you must first have the access card even though its not used. Its how the system works. Imagine my frustration.... The problem being there are no local private services for autism. They seem to be companys designed for and built around county programs. I applied for my daughters benifits when she turned 18 up until then it was all on dad. Not complaining she's my girl and thats what dads do.
So, you consider it more fair to forcefully take money from complete strangers to pay for these unfortunate incidents?
As with most things, you have to look at the alternatives in order to answer a question like that. The alternative would be a system where every man was an island in terms of his own health. It would be kind of like a reverse lottery - get smacked with the wrong disease or injury, and your finances/life/credit are demolished, and there is nothing you can really do about it.
That doesn't strike me as a system that comports with 'American values,' which, from the Declaration of Independence forward, have had a communitarian element to them. It is "we the people" and "united we stand," not "I the person" and "here I stand."
So, yes. I think you can afford to chip in a bit now and then, financially, to sustain America's core values. I think that is more than fair.
Sounds like it's time to quit dairy farming and move on to a job that pays better.
Thats why the small dairy farmer is a dieing breed. Its a shame but its also evolution I guess.
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