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Old 02-27-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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In just a few short years, mostly thanks to the millennial generation, America is becoming a center-left to leftist country. Obama is possibly the most beloved sitting President in all history, truly a celebrity to the highest degree. On the other hand, young people are completely and totally disgusted by conservative values especially on social issues. Conservatives have completely lost the culture war. The future for America is very gay and atheist and very unfriendly to anybody who openly champions Christianity or the nuclear family. Whether you believe that is a good thing or not is beside the point, its the truth and Americans are going to have to live with it or leave the country.

Anybody who doesn't support Obama, whatever the truth may be, is regarded by most young Americans are blabbering redneck trailer trash who hates blacks. I think we are looking at 20-30 years before somebody from a party other than the Democrats occupy the White House and in the next few election cycles Democrats will lock in a super majority in Congress that will last just as long.

When the time is right, a new party will rise up to challenge the Democrats. Lets hope the Constitution makes it long enough.

The Republican party as a matter of reality is not lost because it is the only other major party.

conservatism hopefully becomes less prominent over time in a new Republican party.

conservatism as a governing philosophy is dead and has been dead for a long time.

The basic conceit of conservatism small government is not even advocated by conservative voters.

conservative voters love big government. The polls prove this reality over and over.

What conservative voters hate is other Americans that they perceive to be a threat to their way of life getting government benefits.
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Very true. It's about time that we rely on our own resources. This country is large enough where we can sustain ourselves.
Ya for sure but those who own the means of production, the distribution of goods, and the development of American resources for Americans can make MORE MONEY selling out their own country by developing their businesses mostly offshore.

For over a hundred years Canada has a good solution for this. When companies start to show they really do not benefit the people or the country our GOVERNMENT buys them out and creates a "Crown Corporation".

Take the case of Saskatchewan. The telecoms would not give the people the service or economy the government believed the consummer deserved. Goodbye telecoms hello Sasktel. The same thing in auto insurance, natural gas supply and distribution, all utilities, much mining, all of the healthcare industry, Sask. was the first with a universal plan. These business entities are run for the citizens by the citizens. If and when a time comes when the government thinks a private operator can give better service and products they sell it to them and allow then to run under regulations of course. Now the right wingers would tell you that this is socialism and that it will destroy the economy, no one will invest, business will flee and OH so many more fairy tales. Saskatchewan has the fastest growing economy in North America, business is lining up at the door to get a piece of the action. Unemployment is low, salaries are high and life is good.

Americans for some unknown reason make some kind of a GOD out of private business. IMHO, the first and foremost function of any business is to be a good corporate citizen. When they cease to be that and in fact cause more problems than benefits for the country then off with their freakin heads. It's a privilege to run a concern in a country that supplies you with security, transportation systems, educated employees, huge opportunities for growth and profit. There are so many businesses that have it completely backwards. They think we are privileged to have them even if they abuse their employees, foul the enviroment, subvert the political process, rape the land etc etc. We have proven over and over again, we don't need these kinds of corporate citizens.

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Old 02-27-2013, 03:30 PM
 
Location: The South
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glad you like your taxes going up, you must be rich and can afford it, glad you like your families health insurance going up, glad you like all the debt Obama care will bring, glad you like being told what to eat, what to drink, and i am glad, nanny states have to wipe your *****, glad you like freedoms stripped from you, glad you are not the future of this Country, we can only be bled dry from the welfare state for so long, hope you like soup kitchens and bread lines when we cant afford all these social welfare programs! you like Apples-how you like those apples!
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:48 PM
 
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After the 72 election the media headlines were------------" Is the Democrat Party done for ?"
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Good Lord. Why? I'm asking because I want to propose this scenario for you. For example, you're pro-pot. Santorum wouldn't actually be someone who would support legalization. I want the candidate that has our BEST interest when it comes to our individual liberties. Santorum, would NOT be that candidate.
Yes, I am in favor legalizing drugs, however one needs to get Congress to draft such a bill before it can become law.

Ending the drug war, while important, is not among my top priorities when voting for President, and the liklihood that a candidate wouldn't sign such a bill, if it even ever crossed his/her desk wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me.

Electing pro-legalization Congress critters would be a higher priority.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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In what alternate reality was Rick Santorum going to beat Obama? It was never going to happen.
How do you know?

Santorum wasn't the nominee. If he had been, anything could have happened.

Santorum was a better candidate than Romney, and most certainly could have made it just as close of a competition.
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Old 02-27-2013, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Here
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The OP simply adds to what we already know. This country is screwed.
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:32 PM
 
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In just a few short years, mostly thanks to the millennial generation, America is becoming a center-left to leftist country. Obama is possibly the most beloved sitting President in all history, truly a celebrity to the highest degree. On the other hand, young people are completely and totally disgusted by conservative values especially on social issues. Conservatives have completely lost the culture war. The future for America is very gay and atheist and very unfriendly to anybody who openly champions Christianity or the nuclear family. Whether you believe that is a good thing or not is beside the point, its the truth and Americans are going to have to live with it or leave the country.

Anybody who doesn't support Obama, whatever the truth may be, is regarded by most young Americans are blabbering redneck trailer trash who hates blacks. I think we are looking at 20-30 years before somebody from a party other than the Democrats occupy the White House and in the next few election cycles Democrats will lock in a super majority in Congress that will last just as long.

When the time is right, a new party will rise up to challenge the Democrats. Lets hope the Constitution makes it long enough.
I am saddened by how selfish, lazy, sarcastic, and superficial the majority of our younger generation has become. While there are certainly many exceptions, on average, I see this as a trend. Whatever happened to hard work and family values? Don't get me wrong, I cannot stand racism, discrimination, extremism, old boys clubs, etc., but I have hope that people will return to morals, ethics, and common courtesy where they genuinely care about others.

I could really care less what gender, race, religion, etc. the next president was, as long as he or she genuinely cared about this country, was fully qualified for the job, and had a plan to bring America to the great nation that it certainly can be. This includes not making it harder to raise a family.
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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Ya for sure but those who own the means of production, the distribution of goods, and the development of American resources for Americans can make MORE MONEY selling out their own country by developing their businesses mostly offshore.

For over a hundred years Canada has a good solution for this. When companies start to show they really do not benefit the people or the country our GOVERNMENT buys them out and creates a "Crown Corporation".

Take the case of Saskatchewan. The telecoms would not give the people the service or economy the government believed the consummer deserved. Goodbye telecoms hello Sasktel. The same thing in auto insurance, natural gas supply and distribution, all utilities, much mining, all of the healthcare industry, Sask. was the first with a universal plan. These business entities are run for the citizens by the citizens. If and when a time comes when the government thinks a private operator can give better service and products they sell it to them and allow then to run under regulations of course. Now the right wingers would tell you that this is socialism and that it will destroy the economy, no one will invest, business will flee and OH so many more fairy tales. Saskatchewan has the fastest growing economy in North America, business is lining up at the door to get a piece of the action. Unemployment is low, salaries are high and life is good.

Americans for some unknown reason make some kind of a GOD out of private business. IMHO, the first and foremost function of any business is to be a good corporate citizen. When they cease to be that and in fact cause more problems than benefits for the country then off with their freakin heads. It's a privilege to run a concern in a country that supplies you with security, transportation systems, educated employees, huge opportunities for growth and profit. There are so many businesses that have it completely backwards. They think we are privileged to have them even if they abuse their employees, foul the enviroment, subvert the political process, rape the land etc etc. We have proven over and over again, we don't need these kinds of corporate citizens.
For some "unknown" reason? It's known quite well. It's called the constitution. It forbids exactly what you are suggesting.

It doesn't matter that you have "proven" that we don't "need" these kind of corporate citizens. What matters is that this is a free country. It is not a "privilege" for them to run a business. They have a right to exist, and you do not have a right to forcibly take them over.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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For some "unknown" reason? It's known quite well. It's called the constitution. It forbids exactly what you are suggesting.

It doesn't matter that you have "proven" that we don't "need" these kind of corporate citizens. What matters is that this is a free country. It is not a "privilege" for them to run a business. They have a right to exist, and you do not have a right to forcibly take them over.
Ah Ha, that is where you are wrong. If their stock is traded on the stock exchange they can be bought outor a public corporation can be created that will put them out of business if a better service at a better price is offered. I don't know but I'd rather sell than get squeezed out of business. It's very simple really.

It's very true that "They have a right to exist" but within parameters. They don't have the right to exist outside of those parameters we call, "The law" and "Regulations".

You are talking through you hat if you think it's unconstitutional for the US government or a state government to own and operate a business. The last time I checked the US Postal service was owned by Uncle Sam. How about the TVA?

Your assertions make you look ignorant.
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