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Conservatives "complain" about the economy under Obama -- the stagnating wages, the lack of jobs, etc -- but in reality, they are perfectly okay w/ the way things things are. They have to be since this is the outcome that is supposed to happen w/ the policies Republicans support. How is this economy NOT the scenario we end up w/ when businesses have the support of Republicans to outsource jobs, import cheaper employees, strip collective bargaining power from workers, and give the rich every incentive to keep as much money as they can?
Take any problem that's wrong w/ the economy and ask yourself: what's the Republican solution to fix it?
Barely livable wages for the working poor? Cut taxes for the rich, cut welfare, repeal min wage.
Stagnating wages for the middle class? Cut taxes for the rich, cut benefits that help their kids go to college
Dwindling job openings? Cut taxes for the rich, cut gov't spending on public jobs so that there's not competition w/ private wages.
Overworked employees earning less of a share of profits? Cut taxes on the rich, push for "right to work" status.
Unqualified applicants for technical jobs? Cut taxes for the rich, bring in cheaper applicants from overseas.
I would be interested to know of any positions on the Right that put UPWARD pressure on wages... We already know what the current trend of downward pressure leads to: more people fighting for fewer jobs at lower wages creating less demand in the economy. So what do the Republicans have in their wheel house that puts the upward pressure on wages?
If Republicans think I'm full of bs, fine. But I'd like to hear which problem w/ the economy that you think the Republican solution fixes, and how it will end w/ upward pressure on wages.
The fact that you titled this thread "can we be honest with each other and stop playing games" is completely laughable given the amount of dishonest gameplaying your post presents. Your entire post is one huge strawman of misrepresenting what Republican economic philosophy is. You might as well have been describing unicorns in fairyland. If you want to argue against Republican economic ideas, why don't you argue against actual Republican economic ideas instead of this made-up charade?
The whole "upward pressure" thing indicates you have no understanding of what conservatives are about. I mean, it's not just disagreeing with conservatives. It's just a lack of basic comprehension. You should go to youtube and look at some Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman videos. I know you won't, but I mean that sincerely. If you're going to argue against something all the time, you should at least find out what it is that you're arguing against.
Seriously.
Before we can have a discussion of what is right and wrong about conservatism, you need to know what conservatism is, and you clearly don't.
That is very true and it's also the reason that a high unemployment rate is a necessary ingredient for Maximum exploitation. Full or near full emploment is the right wing's worse nightmare.
Is that why Obama continues to pursue policies that discourage hiring? Never before have I realized that Obama is a right winger!
Why are higher wages your only proposed solution? Business labor budgets are finite. You seem to think that the lions share of businesses have all kinds of money to pay out in wages and are merely choosing not to do so. Are you willing to pay higher prices for everything in order to arbitrarily put "upward pressure" on wages?
The problem is demand, not wages. An abundance of demand generally translates into job opportunities and the opportunity to move around and seek higher wages. But I'm sure you knew that.
Have you ever seen the money they get as opposed to the money the workers get? I would say that qualifies as "all kinds of money"
Why do we not be honest with each other and recognize ya caint pay an American ten, or more, times what you pay a Chinese with the same skill set forever.
Government interference in the free market ultimately reduces real wages.
The fact that you titled this thread "can we be honest with each other and stop playing games" is completely laughable given the amount of dishonest gameplaying your post presents. Your entire post is one huge strawman of misrepresenting what Republican economic philosophy is. You might as well have been describing unicorns in fairyland. If you want to argue against Republican economic ideas, why don't you argue against actual Republican economic ideas instead of this made-up charade?
The whole "upward pressure" thing indicates you have no understanding of what conservatives are about. I mean, it's not just disagreeing with conservatives. It's just a lack of basic comprehension. You should go to youtube and look at some Thomas Sowell or Milton Friedman videos. I know you won't, but I mean that sincerely. If you're going to argue against something all the time, you should at least find out what it is that you're arguing against.
Seriously.
Before we can have a discussion of what is right and wrong about conservatism, you need to know what conservatism is, and you clearly don't.
Uh huh... it never fails. When the Conservative or Libertarian agenda is accurately pegged in an unflattering light it becomes "you don't know a thing about [blah]. " And then there's usually an attempt to distance yourself from the policy by calling yourself something like a constitutional conservative, or musket & breeches Republican, or some other hackneyed term. All that space spent telling me I don't understand Conservatism, and yet nothing about where I'm wrong...
There's even a question in my OP dealing w/ your inevitable crying:
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Originally Posted by EddieB.Good
If Republicans think I'm full of bs, fine. But I'd like to hear which problem w/ the economy that you think the Republican solution fixes, and how it will end w/ upward pressure on wages.
Why do we not be honest with each other and recognize ya caint pay an American ten, or more, times what you pay a Chinese with the same skill set forever.
Government interference in the free market ultimately reduces real wages.
Please cite a country that has removed such regulations on the economy and real wages have risen for workers.
Conservatives "complain" about the economy under Obama -- the stagnating wages, the lack of jobs, etc -- but in reality, they are perfectly okay w/ the way things things are. They have to be since this is the outcome that is supposed to happen w/ the policies Republicans support. How is this economy NOT the scenario we end up w/ when businesses have the support of Republicans to outsource jobs, import cheaper employees, strip collective bargaining power from workers, and give the rich every incentive to keep as much money as they can?
Take any problem that's wrong w/ the economy and ask yourself: what's the Republican solution to fix it?
Barely livable wages for the working poor? Cut taxes for the rich, cut welfare, repeal min wage.
Stagnating wages for the middle class? Cut taxes for the rich, cut benefits that help their kids go to college
Dwindling job openings? Cut taxes for the rich, cut gov't spending on public jobs so that there's not competition w/ private wages.
Overworked employees earning less of a share of profits? Cut taxes on the rich, push for "right to work" status.
Unqualified applicants for technical jobs? Cut taxes for the rich, bring in cheaper applicants from overseas.
I would be interested to know of any positions on the Right that put UPWARD pressure on wages... We already know what the current trend of downward pressure leads to: more people fighting for fewer jobs at lower wages creating less demand in the economy. So what do the Republicans have in their wheel house that puts the upward pressure on wages?
If Republicans think I'm full of bs, fine. But I'd like to hear which problem w/ the economy that you think the Republican solution fixes, and how it will end w/ upward pressure on wages.
The only thing that conservatives care about is low taxes for rich people and protecting the interests of those they identify as the real Americans. Those real Americans who deserve to have the government work for them in some degree.
conservatives hate a representative democracy where all citizens get a say in how the nation is organized.
So all of the conservative ideas inevitably favor the wealthy, powerful, the well connected because in reality that's whose benefit conservatives believe the government should at all times protect.
If Republicans think I'm full of bs, fine. But I'd like to hear which problem w/ the economy that you think the Republican solution fixes, and how it will end w/ upward pressure on wages.
The only thing that conservatives care about is low taxes for rich people and protecting the interests of those they identify as the real Americans. Those real Americans who deserve to have the government work for them in some degree.
conservatives hate a representative democracy where all citizens get a say in how the nation is organized.
So all of the conservative ideas inevitably favor the wealthy, powerful, the well connected because in reality that's whose benefit conservatives believe the government should at all times protect.
Yes, but it's not really the rich who form their base, it lower-middle class whites. That's primarily who posts that type of nonsense on this forum at all hours of the day. By definition, they have to be self-loathing, given that they believe:
1. If you work hard enough, you can be wealthy.
2. They are not wealthy.
3. Thus, they just haven't worked hard enough.
This is why they love to bash the poor. They can say, "Hey, at least I'm not as bad as those lazy SOBs over there!" And, of course, there are the yokels who get duped into the, "The queers are coming, the queers are coming! Planned Parenthood is taking your money to pay for abortions! The coloreds are coming for your white women!"
If someone has a better explanation for this phenomenon with lower middle-class whites, I'm all ears.
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We already know what the current trend of downward pressure leads to: more people fighting for fewer jobs at lower wages creating less demand in the economy. So what do the Republicans have in their wheel house that puts the upward pressure on wages?
