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In Hawaii it doesn't matter what British law says, what matters is what U.S. law says.
The U.S. Constitution is the Law of the Land.
Clause B is a general rule of citizenship, which states that all persons born in the country are members of the nation.
Clause A is a specific clause that says only those members of the nation who are “natural born” may be President.
"According to the rule of statutory construction, the court must determine that Clause A requires something more than Clause B.
It’s truly that simple. This is not some crazy conspiracy theory. It’s not controversial. This is not rocket science. Every single attorney reading this right now knows, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that I have accurately explained the rule of statutory construction to you. Any attorney who denies this rule, is lying. The rule cannot be denied. And its simplicity cannot be ignored."
The 2004 Bill (not amendment) did not pass because the law already allows for children born to Citizen parents to be natural born citizens. .
I posted the summary text of the bill word for word as it is listed. On the other hand, yes it allows children born to Citizen parents (plural) to be natural born Citizens. That leaves Cruz out because his father was a national of a foreign sovereignty. Therefore Cruz is just a Citizen by statute (not natural) and not eligible for Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5. The founders original intent was to not have future presidents born on foreign sovereign lands to foreign nationals.
I posted the summary text of the bill word for word as it is listed.
And the backpedaling starts. When caught, you just say "hey not my fault, that's what I saw".
Of course, due diligence on your part is not heard of. Why not just copy the entire text of the bill, and comprehend the less than 400 work text, and see that it doesn't support your claims.
No, that's too much work for a birther.
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On the other hand, yes it allows children born to Citizen parents (plural) to be natural born Citizens.
Did you miss the part where it says Citizen parent or Citizen parents?
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That leaves Cruz out because his father was a national of a foreign sovereignty.
No it doesn't. His mother is a US citizen. The Bill as proposed would have covered her, but the LAW already says that he is, since his mother is a US Citizen (as I stated, the Bill would have been redunant since US Code already says that children born to 1 US citizen parent, who had resided in the US for at least 1 year, their children US Citizens at birth).
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Therefore Cruz is just a Citizen by statute (not natural) and not eligible for Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5.
and there is no such thing as STautory citizenship. Citizenship is controlled by the US Constitution and US LAW (which are NOT statutes).
and why do you persist on using RACISTS reasoning as your basis to deny citizenship?
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The founders original intent was to not have future presidents born on foreign sovereign lands to
foreign nationals.
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The founders intent was to block those who weren't born citizens from becoming President.
And there were over 50 founding fathers, who had 50 different points of view on citizenship. Luckily sound heads referred to established law to codify and refer to. Establish law that says being born on US soil no matter who your parents are, you are a citizen from birth.
The Lost Ark of Kim has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of Natural Born Citizen.
Yes it did. It had everything to do with Natural Born citizenship. Even the dissenters addressed the issue of Presidential eligibility in their opinion.
and yes, it does, since over 1000 court cases from CIVIL to STate Superior to the SCOTUS have used Wong Kim Ark in reference to citizenship and Natural born citizenship issues.
Yes it did. It had everything to do with Natural Born citizenship. Even the dissenters addressed the issue of Presidential eligibility in their opinion.
The only "address" the court was permitted, was, is Kim a U.S. citizen? Dicta stinketh.
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and yes, it does, since over 1000 court cases from CIVIL to STate Superior to the SCOTUS have used Wong Kim Ark in reference to citizenship and Natural born citizenship issues.
From a dicta premise, they were falsely premisized. Pyramiding of dicta doesn't "create" law.
Good post. These anti-American Obama lovers who want Article 2 Section 1 subverted are hell bent on obfuscating the true facts of what a true natural born Citizen is.
You have no idea how much it pleases me that all you "birthers" are wasting your time and energy on this issue instead of trying to find an acceptable RWNJ presidential candidate for 2016. Keep it going. You really amuse me.
I just saw a clip of Slanthead and Ted Cruz on PoliticsNation. My God I am actually speechless. In the exchange, which is about questions as to if Cruz is a natural born citizens, Slanthead speaks dismissevely of "birther cries growing on the left" (and he does that gesture where the finger makes circles around the ears) as if only those on the left would do something so crazy. But that's not the crazy part, the truly amazingly hypocritical double standard part that makes your jaw drop and turns you speechless. Both Slanthead and Ted Cruz agree that Cruz was BORN IN CANADA!! That's right, I'll say it again, both Slanthead and Ted Cruz agree that Ted Cruz was BORN IN CANADA!!
Slanthead: Let me get this straight, you were born in Canada.
Cruz: Yes
And then Slanthead goes on to say "but your mother was a U.S. citizen" and then they both agree that that makes him a U.S. citizen. Yes, that's right, now they are both saying that because his mother was a U.S. citizen, not his parents, just his mother. Gee, doesn't that sound familiar? A politician who (it is claimed) was born outside the United States whose mother was a U.S. citizen
Now check out the way Slanthead says "this issue of the birth certificate" here and compare it with the way he says "birther cries growing on the left" Sean Hannity - Birthers - Donald Trump | Mediaite
OMG NOW I'M EVEN MORE SPEECHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the last link, which I'm listening to right now as I type this, and I had to rewind to see if I heard right, Slanthead proclaims that he carries around a copy of the Constitution and he says that the Constitution requires that you be born in the United States. Yes, he really did, check it out for yourself. He claims that the Constitution requires you be born in the United States, and in the first video and admits that Ted Cruz wasn't born in the United States BUT SOMEHOW HE'S STILL A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN BECAUSE ONE PARENT, NOT BOTH, JUST ONE, WAS A U.S. CITIZEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To be honest I don't know why Seans idiocy and double standards always shock me so much, I guess by now I should be used to it.
Now Hannity isn't a birther. I guess there's a limit to even his craziness, but why is it that when the right claims Obama isn't a natural born citizen they're asking a very valid question and gosh of golly why doesn't
...anyone with subnormal intelligence knows that Hannity is a witless fool who will say whatever appeals to his audience of mouthbreathers. The little twerp has no credibility with anyone outside of the Fox family.
You should expect this kind of hyperpartisan hypocrisy from Fox because that's what they do. Incessantly.
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