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Old 03-21-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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not quite

since 1991 it has been MENTIONED and used that he was kenyan born (a mistake from his publisher)
the miriam goderich bio blurb that wasn't discovered ....... till last year!

The Vetting - Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii'

are you really using that as the catalyst for birtherism ( and the democrats starting it )?


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it did NOT start in 08 in a '''right wing blog'''
then please show me anyone citing goderich's blurb as evidence for birtherism that predates march 1, 2008.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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Gong!

John Bingham had exactly nothing to do with the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment.

Every time you lead that quotation (which also is not about the 14th Amendment at all) by labeling him as "the father of the 14th Amendment" you are trying to deceive your readers into thinking it is an authoritative statement on the meaning of the 14th's citizenship clause.

And of course... that would be a lie.
No I am not deceiving anyone like you are attempting to do for your messiah. You see, at that time, Bingham had authoritative knowledge of what a true natural born Citizen was defined as.

On the other hand, here is more evidence Bingham was authoritative on the subject. During a debate regarding a certain Dr. Houard, who had been incarcerated in Spain, the issue was raised on the floor of the House of Representatives as to whether the man was a US citizen. Representative Bingham (of Ohio), stated on the floor:

“As to the question of citizenship I am willing to resolve all doubts in favor of a citizen of the United States. That Dr. Houard is a natural-born citizen of the United States there is not room for the shadow of a doubt. He was born of naturalized parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, and by the express words of the Constitution, as amended to-day, he is declared to all the world to be a citizen of the United States by birth.” (The term “to-day”, as used by Bingham, means “to date”. Obviously, the Constitution had not been amended on April 25, 1872.)

Notice that Bingham declares Houard to be a “natural-born citizen” by citing two factors – born of citizen parents in the US.

Again, he shows that Ted Cruz is not a true natural born Citizen. His father wasn't naturalized and neither was Obama's. In fact Obama's father never intended to naturalize to become a U.S. Citizen.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Obama's mother was a US citizen, so is her son. Even if a woman gave birth to her son in another country, her son does not lose his birthright to US citizenship. The most that would happen is her son would have dual citizenship until age 21.

I think the birther claim is that Barack Obama's mother renounced his US citizenship and made him a citizen of Indonesia, with his step dad Soreto, or however you spell it.
It is Soetoro. The issue is not whether these people are citizens or not, the issue is Natural Born Citizenship, as a requirement for President of the United States. That is a very special category, which requires, born on US soil, to TWO citizen parents. Dual citizenship is a disqualification for Natural Born Citizenship because it suggest dual allegiance. It's really very simple, I don't know why so many can't get it right, including dopes like Hannity.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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Slantheads idiotic hypocrisy deserves at least 40 question marks

just saying'.


what is this 'slanthead' thing you keep blithering on about?

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Old 03-21-2013, 04:13 PM
 
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Cruz is the child [SINGULAR] of a citizen [SINGULAR] of the United States born out of the limits of the United States. Therefore he is one of the children [PLURAL] of citizens [PLURAL] of the United States born out of the limits of the United States that the Framers considered as natural born citizen.
[MOD CUT/insults] . They meant two U.S. parents plain and simple.

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Old 03-21-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No I am not deceiving anyone like you are attempting to do for your messiah.
I have no messiah.

Every post of yours is an attempt at deception. This is just one of the easier ones to call you on since you've been nailed on it repeatedly. That turns it from being just ignorance to a willful lie.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Dual citizenship is a disqualification for Natural Born Citizenship because it suggest dual allegiance.
No United States law, statute, rule, regulation, court decision or Constitutional provision has ever decared that dual citizenship is a disqualifier from natural born US citizenship.

A person can have as many citizenship as different countries are willing to give him/her. If one of them is natural born US citizenship then he/she is eligible for the Presidency.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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A person can have as many citizenship as different countries are willing to give him/her. If one of them is natural born US citizenship then he/she is eligible for the Presidency.
Not at birth, Dude!

Afterbirth!

Afterbirthers are OK.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:45 PM
 
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Dual citizenship is a disqualification for Natural Born Citizenship because it suggest dual allegiance..
thomas jefferson received french citizenship before obtaining the presidency.

A general abridgment and digest of American law: with occasional notes and ... - Nathan Dane - Google Books

abraham lincoln accepted san marino citizenship during his term.

Office of the Historian - Countries - San Marino

history says you are wrong, claud.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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I say let the people decide who they want for president, where ever they were born (and yes Obama was born in Hawaii wing nuts). That being said Ted Cruz has a better chance of becoming the president of Texas then the USA. I guess things ain't as bad as people think after all.
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