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.... which requires, born on US soil, to TWO citizen parents.
wrong again claud.
ankeny v daniels :
"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."
and a huge list of historic references that all contradict your belief:
"Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are "natural born Citizens" for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents."
and a huge list of historic references that all contradict your belief:
Ankeny was a flawed decision. Besides you posted dicta from a appeals state case The case never discussed presidential eligibility nor did it specifically declare Obama a natural born Citizen. Here is what matters. The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”. Both Obama's and Cruz's fathers were not U.S. citizens at their birth. They are ineligible along with Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio and possibly Governor Nikki Haley (I don't know when her parents naturalized).
Ankeny is the law of the land, and has been cited as precedential in almost a dozen subsequent cases.
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Originally Posted by Old Army Soldier
The case never discussed presidential eligibility nor did it specifically declare Obama a natural born Citizen.
Are you crazy? What "or Article II, Section 1 purposes" are there other than presidential eligibility?
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Originally Posted by Old Army Soldier
Here is what matters. The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.
Ankeny is the law of the land, and has been cited as precedential in almost a dozen subsequent cases.
Are you crazy? What "or Article II, Section 1 purposes" are there other than presidential eligibility?
This is, of course, a bald faced lie.
Here you go. Everybody read and learn what a true natural born Citizen is:
The meaning of the term-of-art ‘natural born citizen’ has been addressed, and confirmed by the US Supreme Court. The idea that all persons who are a citizen at birth, are ‘natural born citizens’ can not possibly be accepted for the simple reason that NO part of the Constitution can be interpreted in such a way as to make any part of the Constitution irrelevant. What that means is that the Constitution MUST be interpreted in such a way that every word in relevant. The idea that ‘citizen at birth’ equates to ‘natural born citizen’ ignores the word ‘natural’. If the intention was otherwise, they would have simply said a ‘born citizen’, or a ‘citizen at birth’ or ‘born a citizen’. So it is clear they intended something else. So - what does the word ‘natural’ mean in the context of ‘natural born citizen’? There are two types of law. There is ‘positive law’ - this is man-made law, such as the Constitution, laws from Congress, state law, local ordinances, and so on. And then there is ‘natural law’ - this is the law of nature, or the divine.
An example would be when the founders wrote the Declaration of Independence, and stated - “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”. That is a form of natural law. So, the term ‘natural born citizen’ means EXACTLY what it says, a citizen at birth according to natural law. OK - what is a citizen by natural law? Remember, a natural law is one that is unwritten. So a citizen by natural law, would be a citizen that would require no man made ‘positive’ law to be a citizen. So, when is someone a citizen without need of any positive law? When they can be nothing else. Does that sound familiar? Ever heard someone answer a question with the word ‘naturally’, because the answer could be nothing else? “Does Monday come after Sunday? Naturally!”.
Who can be nothing other than a citizen at birth, and therefore requires no positive law? There are 4 basic variables governing citizenship. 1) born in or out of a country. 2) Both parents are citizens. 3) One parent is a citizen. 4) Neither parent is a citizen. The first (where born) is combined with the other 3 to determine whether or not a child is a citizen at birth. There are laws written to govern every situation - except one. The only situation not covered by positive law is when a child is born in a country, and both parents are citizens of that country. Why? Because no law is required, the child is a citizen ‘naturally’, therefore the child is a natural born Citizen. Remember, a statutory citizen (bestowed by man's pen) can never be a "natural born" citizen (bestowed by God/nature).
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And let me repeat, THIS IS FROM THE COMMENT SECTION OF A NEWS ARTICLE ON A NEWS WEBSITE. This is NOT from any recognized legal website, nor is it offered by ANYONE who is experienced in citizenship laws of the US.
And let me repeat, THIS IS FROM THE COMMENT SECTION OF A NEWS ARTICLE ON A NEWS WEBSITE. This is NOT from any recognized legal website, nor is it offered by ANYONE who is experienced in citizenship laws of the US.
nor is it offered by ANYONE who is experienced in citizenship laws of the US.
Who are you to determine who is experienced in citizenship laws of the U.S.?
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