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Old 06-02-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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And often, the out of wedlock birthrate is high, the attainment of education is low, high unemployment rate, and broken homes are involved. A community resurgence and brighter prospects involve education, jobs, and solid families. I also believe it should start in the church. The Civil Rights movement started in the church. It was a powerful force in the movement. I believe it should get involved again to solve the problems in the inner city.
True -- but one problem for the inner cities is that the black middle class types have moved out. The black middle class was once previously trapped by segregation and cared more but also provided worthwhile examples for the lower classes.

It's not white flight that hurt the inner cities, it's black middle class flight that has hurt them. The community trapped in the ghettos is not trapped by race. Their more educated, hard working, solid types have fled and those left behind are more and more on their own.

You don't see upper middle class white types fretting much over those whites in run-down trailer parks, and the same thing is going on with blacks. Who cares anymore about the most disadvantaged?
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:41 AM
 
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And of everything you posted there, is any of that my problem - the problem of the white American community? Even if some of it is, and some of it probably is, you can't use that as a crutch forever. Is it not true that blacks were better off than they are now some 50, even 70 years ago? That should tell you exactly what you need to know about the black mindset today. Your community should never have regressed when just about every other community of color seems to have progressed in the duration.

That's exactly where well-meaning blacks fall short - you have to clean your own house first, and please understand that when the general (mostly white) American population continues to hear blacks about their plight there is so much of it we can stand to hear before we are nauseated. And that is a lot of what you are seeing on this forum, where in anonymity people can say we've had enough (and the crime epidemic that blacks have unleashed on whites in America is probably the biggest problem, considering violent black-on-white crime is something like seven times as much as the reverse.)

Only blacks can clean their own house, not whites.
Nobody is asking Whites to clean out Black people's closet. Do you think Blacks don't know only Blacks can clean out the dirty laundry? We've known this.

Blacks were not better off 50 or 70 years ago. That is a boldface lie. Blacks lived in higher poverty levels that then do now. Today, there are more Blacks with college degrees than ever before. Blacks who have obtained the education have left the ghetto for good. The problems that exist in the ghetto today still exist. The difference is that the educated Blacks basically try very hard not to live in the ghetto.

Blacks were subjected to all kinds of racial 50 to 70 years ago. How was it better? How was it better for Blacks to grow up under grinding poverty, severe discrimination, racial intimidation, being told to "know their place"? Please explain.

What I see today is two different Black Americas. One with high levels of education, that is of no harm to you. And the other Black America that is poor, still living in the ghetto, and thanks to the drug war, things are quite bad.

And consider this. Blacks get murdered more than anyone else in the USA, by Blacks. A large amount of crime is against Whites. However, an equally large amount of crime is against other Blacks, and small amount against Hispanics. And consider this, the justice system can be quite biased as well. When Blacks victimized Whites, they are more likely to be punished for their crimes than Blacks who victimize other Blacks.

You are tired of crime. Blacks are tired of discrimination. Do you know that a White male with a criminal recorded is more likely to be called back for an interview than a Black man with a clean record? That happens alot.

It is the "Blacks are a problem, avoid them all", and "let them eat cake" mentality that disgusts me.
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:48 AM
 
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True -- but one problem for the inner cities is that the black middle class types have moved out. The black middle class was once previously trapped by segregation and cared more but also provided worthwhile examples for the lower classes.

It's not white flight that hurt the inner cities, it's black middle class flight that has hurt them. The community trapped in the ghettos is not trapped by race. Their more educated, hard working, solid types have fled and those left behind are more and more on their own.

You don't see upper middle class white types fretting much over those whites in run-down trailer parks, and the same thing is going on with blacks. Who cares anymore about the most disadvantaged?
This is the thing. Who would want to live in those communities? The only middle class people I see moving into ghettos are those who are there for the purpose of gentrification. It is about money and education.

And I would think about this. Black children who are interested in getting an education and who get good grades often get made fun of by their peers, getting called "acting White". Alot of Blacks don't want to live around that.

Blacks just did what Whites did. Everyone wants to get away from the poor and rundown areas.
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Old 06-02-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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The only middle class people I see moving into ghettos are those who are there for the purpose of gentrification. It is about money and education.
The brainwashing machine in the schools and colleges is making a valiant effort to get young 'hip' whites to move into these neighborhoods. Go to some of the other 'city' sites on this forum and read the posts propagandizing for 'diverse', 'walkable', 'restorable' neighborhoods and encouraging 20 somethings to move into them.

I just laugh. The brainwashed will end up in the welfare crowds' soup pots when their SNAP cards stop working.
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Old 06-02-2013, 10:05 AM
 
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This is the thing. Who would want to live in those communities? The only middle class people I see moving into ghettos are those who are there for the purpose of gentrification. It is about money and education.

And I would think about this. Black children who are interested in getting an education and who get good grades often get made fun of by their peers, getting called "acting White". Alot of Blacks don't want to live around that.

Blacks just did what Whites did. Everyone wants to get away from the poor and rundown areas.
Yes -- IF they can get decent schools and an education. The problem is also very few teachers want to devote themselves to poor performing schools.

And what of the kids who didn't do so well in school? They still need jobs if they will have any kind of real future. They don't need to be physicians or lawyers or database administrators, they need just some decent enough job that lets them get out of high crime areas.

All these single mothers and their kids with no neighborhood examples are on their own.

Work with gang type kids some time, you can see some of the hurdles they face. No one in their family ever worked, they never picked up the culture of getting up in the morning and going to work. They may have one parent, the mom's boyfriend ignores them at best, harms them at worst and no one is there to guide the child into a job. No one advises the child on how to dress for an interview, how to answer interview questions. Mom on welfare might kick the kid off the couch but doesn't know how to kick him into a job, so he heads out to the streets to find something to do.
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Old 06-02-2013, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And there is nothing being done by either communities or schools to change this.
And that will only make it get worse over time as these kids grow up and have their own kids...exponential growth.
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Old 06-02-2013, 10:09 AM
 
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The brainwashing machine in the schools and colleges is making a valiant effort to get young 'hip' whites to move into these neighborhoods. Go to some of the other 'city' sites on this forum and read the posts propagandizing for 'diverse', 'walkable', 'restorable' neighborhoods and encouraging 20 somethings to move into them.

I just laugh. The brainwashed will end up in the welfare crowds' soup pots when their SNAP cards stop working.
No -- that won't happen because the hip know how to drive out the underclass types when they take over those neighborhoods.

The welfare types are just relocated. Gentrification does not mean integrating some lower class in with the liberal hip types. It just means taking over the neighborhoods with the really big and cool old houses that are perfect when restored.
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Old 06-02-2013, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No -- that won't happen because the hip know how to drive out the underclass types when they take over those neighborhoods.

The welfare types are just relocated. Gentrification does not mean integrating some lower class in with the liberal hip types. It just means taking over the neighborhoods with the really big and cool old houses that are perfect when restored.
These people were already priced out of the trendy sections and move into these neighborhoods which are close to the trendy sections and just wait it out.

That's what gentrification does.
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Old 06-02-2013, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Houston
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And there is nothing being done by either communities or schools to change this.
And that will only make it get worse over time as these kids grow up and have their own kids...exponential growth.

Stats do not show that, the good news:

http://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/crime/...asp?ID=qa05262

Black juvenile homicide rate down 80% in the last generation. The black juvenile homicide rate is now less than twice the 1993 white homicide rate.
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Old 06-02-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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Stats do not show that, the good news:

Juvenile Arrest Rate Trends

Black juvenile homicide rate down 80% in the last generation. The black juvenile homicide rate is now less than twice the 1993 white homicide rate.
But much of that was the result of more people going to prison. I'm all for prisons, they prevent deaths -- but it's too bad something more can't be done to get people into jobs.

Homicide rates have fallen down to 1911 rates. There was a big push to build more prisons under Clinton actually. One good thing done in his terms -- but he sure destroyed the chance for Americans to get jobs.
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