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Old 06-12-2013, 06:03 PM
 
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"If"

How should people educate themselves?
You have access to the largest free educational system on the planet. BRIC is making sure 3.3 billion people will have access to that same system and it's far cheaper than subsidizing 70% of the population who won't remember tomorrow what they learned in government funded schools.

The reality is that we waste hundreds of billions of dollars every year educating people that are getting dumber each year.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:03 PM
 
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According to conservative logic, it should. After all, it would motivate them to look, and instead of paying taxes towards welfare, the taxpayers will be spending their money, with some of that money going to the workers.

However, the number of people depending on the government to maintain their standard of living has grown so large that eliminating welfare will cause people to riot. Such riots will only empower those sustaining the said dependent life style. It's a downward cycle that can only be stopped by getting the poor to lower their standard of living...

So how exactly do you do THAT?
Roughly 4 million Americans receive TANF benefits which is the welfare I assume you are referring to. That's not a large percentage of Americans. TANF payments account for less than 1 % of the federal budget, I believe it is something like 0.3 %, so why are you concentrating on it? All TANF could be eliminated and the effect on the budget would be miniscule.

In contrast about 76 million Americans receive some form of Medicaid benefits, and 46 millions receive food stamps, and the majority of them are the working poor and unemployed.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:07 PM
 
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Okay. I agree. For those who are smart enough, anyway.
It is my understanding, as a tutor, that people with a working brain and body has the capacity to be intelligent. If you teach them how to properly use that intelligence, and motivate them to use that intelligence, an ordinary person could empower themselves that much more.



...Problem is, our education system doesn't teach people how to use their intelligence.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:08 PM
 
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That's what this thread is about. Right now, many people know that the government gives them food if they vote a certain way. What I am asking is, if the government stopped giving food, will the people die of starvation, or will they adjust and go to where the food is?
Of course they will. I'd actually be for welfare if it was attached to some sort of works program like FDR's programs. Crap, let's call them reeducation camps just for fun. Hell, I don't even care if you call them gulags. It's ridiculous to give people money (or food or whatever) and all they need to learn is how to fill out the forms to better fit the possibility of getting more benefits.

Tire them out to the point where they don't even have the time to figure out how to game the system. When they get sick of that they'll learn, on their off time, how to get out of that life. If they ask for help all we need to do is ask for help from them in return.

Let us not forget that Tesla dug ditches while he was writing revolutionary papers and patents that would literally transform the nation and the world.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:10 PM
 
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I'm not eligible, so that is a gigantic fail. (but not epic)
You keep whining about how poor you are, how can you not be qualified?
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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According to conservative logic, it should. After all, it would motivate them to look, and instead of paying taxes towards welfare, the taxpayers will be spending their money, with some of that money going to the workers.

However, the number of people depending on the government to maintain their standard of living has grown so large that eliminating welfare will cause people to riot. Such riots will only empower those sustaining the said dependent life style. It's a downward cycle that can only be stopped by getting the poor to lower their standard of living...

So how exactly do you do THAT?
Hunger has a way or working.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:12 PM
 
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Roughly 4 million Americans receive TANF benefits which is the welfare I assume you are referring to. That's not a large percentage of Americans. TANF payments account for less than 1 % of the federal budget, I believe it is something like 0.3 %, so why are you concentrating on it? All TANF could be eliminated and the effect on the budget would be miniscule.

In contrast about 76 million Americans receive some form of Medicaid benefits, and 46 millions receive food stamps, and the majority of them are the working poor and unemployed.
That's a very LARGE part of the population, isn't it? Republicans seem very focused on this issue and that focus distracts them from the larger issues like the fact that both parties are working towards making a bigger and bigger government.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:13 PM
 
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Why did you get involved in those financial issues?

...A license costs less than 100 dollars here, though.

well, it's complicated and not something i did voluntarily...i had an abrupt and lengthy hospitalization...during this time my car, parked in my driveway furthest from the street and behind two other cars closer to the street, got a flurry of parking tickets because the tags were expired. well duh, i was in no position to renew them, by the time i found out about the tickets they defaulted and the fines necessarily skyrocketed...and those unpaid parking tickets got my license suspended, so i can't get a license until i get the suspension removed, which isn't going to happen unless i somehow come up with more money than i would save by switching to GEICO.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Chesapeake Bay
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Are his skills up to date though? Does he know modern management skills and how a business works in modern times?
Why yes. As of last Oct they were (as I wrote). But over 50? Forget it. Jobs are few and far between in that age group. Age discrimination is alive and well. Even for people well below the type of job he is looking for.
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Old 06-12-2013, 06:14 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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According to conservative logic, it should. After all, it would motivate them to look, and instead of paying taxes towards welfare, the taxpayers will be spending their money, with some of that money going to the workers.

However, the number of people depending on the government to maintain their standard of living has grown so large that eliminating welfare will cause people to riot. Such riots will only empower those sustaining the said dependent life style. It's a downward cycle that can only be stopped by getting the poor to lower their standard of living...

So how exactly do you do THAT?
ask Abe Lincoln if your question works. he answered it before in his quotes.
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